On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:26 PM, cageface <milese...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As I said in the HN thread, I think you're right that getting started
> with a productive clojure environment is harder than it has to be.
>
> However, as I also said in the thread, I think the *real* obstacles
> for a noobie are the concepts in the language itself. Clojure is very
> elegantly designed, but it builds on some very powerful and somewhat
> difficult concepts. Stuart's book is a big help here but I'm afraid
> that Clojure is simply over the heads of a lot of "noobs" anyway.
>
> So I wonder how much making the first few baby steps easier is really
> going to help the uptake of Clojure. I have to imagine that the kind
> of person that can't figure out  a CLASSPATH is going to have his head
> explode when he has to figure out how to restructure all his
> iterations in terms of loop/recur.
>
>
I had an easier time to pickup Haskell than clojure and I went with Haskell
first so I was already familiar with functional programming when I got to
clojure. I like clojure better but the first time I came to it, I couldn't
figure out how the part were fitting together, dropped and came back later
when I continued to hear good things about it on proggit.

And I don't think borrowing CL's smugness is doing anyone any good.

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