On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 12:48 AM, ian.tegebo <ian.teg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Is anyone working on a Clojure-Specific Emacs Environment? If considered > but dismissed, then why?
The problem is that swank-clojure+slime offers a local maximum. While there are difficulties working with CL and Clojure at the same time, it seems that most people lose interest in CL after using Clojure for a while. Maybe swank-js changes the equation a bit. While there would be benefits to implementing an elisp frontend to nrepl, it would be a lot of work before it would catch up with what we've already got. The swank-clojure codebase is ancient, and since its original author abandoned it, there's no one who really understands it and is willing to hack on it apart from simple maintenance tasks. Anyway, I'd be happy if someone went ahead with nrepl.el even so; don't let me discourage you. Nearly all the code in clojure-mode is orthogonal to swank/slime; it's focused around static font-lock and indentation rather than interacting with a live process. There's slime-specific stuff in clojure-test-mode, but it would be pretty trivial to make it work with another interface. -Phil > ---- > > I've just reviewed a thread about nREPL. The thread also (somewhat > indirectly) calls into question the current practice of piggy-backing on > SLIME: > > "About a networked REPL..." > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clojure/iyqFHXkO0Mw/discussion > > I also see a GSoC project, > http://dev.clojure.org/display/community/Google+Summer+of+Code+2012#GoogleSummerofCode2012-EmacsIDE > (I realize that this project's existence is probably my answer, but I > thought I'd check anyway.) > > And lastly, this design page, > http://dev.clojure.org/display/design/IDE+tooling+backend > > There also seems to be no shortage of (revised/deprecated) howto's and > confusion regarding Emacs and SLIME. I can't help but think that this is at > least in part due to SLIME's release process and the various ways that > Clojure is not Common Lisp. There also appears to have been some back and > forth on the slime-devel list that may exemplify this. > > In any case, the fact remains that I still can't get the workaround to work > as smoothly as I'd like (for both an old and new installation of SLIME): > > https://github.com/technomancy/swank-clojure/issues/66 > (I can switch once between CL and Clojure, but then I get errors.) > > While it may make sense to just fix the issues with maintaining multiple > versions of SLIME, all the facts seem to point towards a Clojure-Specific > Emacs Environment. > > That said, there's certainly been a lot of work that's gone into > swank-clojure, clojure-mode, and clojure-test-mode so I can understand the > queasiness involved with a rewrite. Also, I imagine that the CL part of the > community is quite small. However, I'd also like to use swank-js with a > newer SLIME than currently works with clojure-mode as it appears to be the > best REPL integration for Javascript. I imagine that the Javascript part of > the Clojure community is quite a bit larger (although the > Emacs+desire+for+REPL constraint certainly restricts that amount). > > Finally, we get to the point. Tool development is essential. And right now > my tools are becoming clojure-mode and things like kibit, slamhound, > swank-js, SLIME, and redshank. I've tried to understand SLIME's > implementation a few times already. At this point, I need to be able to > improve Clojure related tools a lot more than CL ones. If I can defer > understanding SLIME, the more the better. Lastly, I expect a rewrite could > stay relatively clean given that quite a bit of work can be pushed into > nREPL related tooling...where we can write in Clojure! > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your > first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en
