'jumping to a symbol's definition (and back again)? Those didn't seem to be there last time, and I'd struggle to live without them on a project of any size.'
Besides paredit, this is absolutely the most important feature for me day-to-day. Nothing will replace emacs unless it has that. The emacs one follows a stack-discipline, which is brilliant, and can even follow into dependency jars. On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Korny Sietsma <ko...@sietsma.com> wrote: > Indeed - I was using a community-edition intellij setup the other day, and > only realised when I went to edit some JavaScript, and found some features > missing (like code indenting). > > We use intellij (mostly) in our team at work, and I use emacs (mostly) at > home. > > My current take on this endless debate: > > Intellij is ok. For multi-language projects it's probably still the best > option - it does a great job with Java, JavaScript, html, css. The clojure > support, with the leiningen plugin, works most of the time - with a few > hassles: > - jump to definition breaks sometimes, especially if you use "use" or > "require :all" - for some reason it can understand prefixed namespaces a > lot better. > - indenting isn't nearly as good as emacs > - it doesn't use a long-running repl for tasks like compilation, so you > have to wait for the clojure startup a lot; every time you re-run tests for > example. > - a few language features break their parser - inine bigdecimals for a > start, adding "0.01M" tends to break syntax highlighting > - you have to use the leiningen plugin to sync up your project > dependencies, and manually re-sync when things change > - the leiningen plugin breaks if you have more than one clojure module in > a project - not a problem for everyone, but very annoying for us! > > Emacs is powerful, and fast (not sure where the "bloat" comments come > from, it takes less than 3 seconds to load on my MacBook Pro, and that's > usually once per session, so I don't care much. > However, it has a horrible learning curve - I'm past the worst of it, but > it's a struggle to learn, and only something you'd do if you are keen. > Fine for the solo developer, but not much good for a team, especially in a > consulting situation - I can't go to the client company's developers and > say "here's this awesome new language to use - oh, and you also need to > learn emacs..." :-} > > Also Emacs sucks for Java development, and isn't nearly as good as > Intellij for JavaScript, html, and css. I also miss all the nice things > you get from a real gui - graphical diff markings, subtle ui indicators for > VCS changes, tooltips that pop up; and mostly I really miss having a > tree-view of the project when I'm working in emacs - speedbar is a very > very poor replacement! > > Sublime, last time I tried, had a very nice UI and a great plugin system - > but the clojure stuff seemed fairly broken. I couldn't get the repl to > work properly; I'm glad to hear it's working now. Does it support > autcompletion, and jumping to a symbol's definition (and back again)? > Those didn't seem to be there last time, and I'd struggle to live without > them on a project of any size. > > CounterClockwise is nice - I tried it a few months back, and it seemed > like a good environment - but Eclipse is ugly and painful to use compared > to IntelliJ, and as my team is building a multi-language project, we can't > avoid using the non-clojure bits. If I had a pure clojure project, in a > team environment, I'd definitely consider it. > > - Korny > > > > On 26 July 2013 09:26, Colin Fleming <colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nope, it's perfectly functional as long as all you want is "basic" >> functionality - Java, XML/XPath/XSLT, Git/SVN, Android, Maven/Ant, Groovy, >> JUnit/TestNG and of course Clojure if you install La Clojure. If you want >> any of the Enterprise Java stuff you have to go to the Ultimate edition. >> Probably the most obviously missing thing is HTML/Javascript support. >> >> >> On 26 July 2013 11:18, Cedric Greevey <cgree...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Colin Fleming < >>> colin.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Laurent is correct - both the IntelliJ community edition and La Clojure >>>> are Apache licensed. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 26 July 2013 11:02, Laurent PETIT <laurent.pe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Cedric, >>>>> >>>>> >> 1. On IntelliJ >>>>> >> ----------------- >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Not free software. >>>>> >>>>> AFAICT, the "Community Edition" is free software, and all that is >>>>> required to use Clojure. >>>>> >>>> >>> Huh. That's news to me. The one time I evaluated IntelliJ, there was no >>> sign of this. >>> >>> It isn't severely crippled, though, is it? >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >>> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >>> your first post. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Clojure" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Clojure" group. >> To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com >> Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with >> your first post. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Clojure" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > Kornelis Sietsma korny at my surname dot com http://korny.info > .fnord { display: none !important; } > > -- > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Clojure" group. > To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com > Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with > your first post. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Clojure" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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