On Oct 8, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Jernau wrote: > Hi Phil,
It was I (Lee) who posted those reactions, but hi and thanks! > 1. Select the text you want auto-indented and press SHIFT+TAB. Nice. Is this (re)discoverable somehow from the interface? > 2. The documentation tab opens in a new tabset - to close tabsets you > right-click on them and choose 'Close tabset'. Okay. Now that I see it. I guess I should right-click on things more to discover stuff in the future. > 3. I haven't discovered a way to disable auto-brackets. Unfortunate. I realize I may be unusual in this respect, but this will probably keep me from using it in any serious way. > 4. Yes, you can access it from the command pane, or you can add a key-binding > in your user.keymap. I have mine set to "CMD+;" with "pmeta-;" > [:toggle-comment-selection]. Ah. I see, and while it didn't work with the commenting style I was using I think it's fine. I haven't done the key binding yet but I think I see how to do that. > 5. Won't you need to copy+paste from the console anyway? Why not just grab > the part without the filename? Yes, but I will typically generate outputs from many separate calls to println. I'll want to grab all and only what I asked to have printed, and the only way to do that now will come along with a filename on every line, which I'll then have to remove in post processing. Not impossible but a pain and I don't see why it helps to clutter up the output like that. In general, if you're running your code to produce console output then you probably want the output that you asked to be printed, without extra stuff. > 6. Currently you make projects externally (using Leiningen) and then import > them into Light Table. I think that's fine, but it could be more obvious that this is what you have to do. You can make files without projects, which is a little odd in the first place, but not projects... > 7. This is one downside to having an IDE that's written in Clojure. Maybe it's unavoidable, but I would have thought that one JVM instance could be running the IDE and another the user's code, with different versions of Clojure if necessary. But maybe that's more complicated than I would have thought. > 8. You can hide evaluations using the command pane and "Eval: Clear inline > results", or you can add a key-binding in your user.keymap. I have mine set > to "CMD+SHIFT+BACKSPACE" "pmeta-shift-backspace" [:clear-inline-results] Seems reasonable. Again, I wonder if this could be more easily discoverable (a "go away X" next to the result?), but I see that it's workable. > 9. I don't think Light Table has this feature yet. Understood. FWIW, this is another pretty important one for me and my students. I never remember argument list order, etc., and I've long relied on Lisp environments unobtrusively reminding me of them as I type. > > It's worth noting that Light Table is still in the early stages of > development, so it doesn't have all of the features of more mature IDEs. > However, Chris is going to add plugin support in the next major release, > which will remove him as the bottleneck for adding exactly the kind of > features you're looking for. > > I think it's a very exciting time for Light Table. Sounds great. I appreciate that it's early days. I'm just providing this feedback in case it helps. And FYI, in light of the clarifications in your reply, I'd be quite likely to switch my teaching and research to LightTable if/when #3, #5, and #9 are addressed (ability to turn off auto-brackets, get unadorned console output, and some form of dynamic arglist info). Thanks so much, -Lee > > Cheers, > James > > On Tuesday, October 8, 2013 12:00:52 AM UTC+2, Lee wrote: > > Hi James, > > I have indeed tried LightTable, and it does indeed seem promising. Really > exciting potential. But I've hit enough snags every time I've tried it that I > haven't really found it useful (either for teaching or for my own use). > > I just tried the latest version again, just now, and just for anyone who may > care here are my (opinionated, and YMMV) reactions: > > 1. Is there auto-reindentation? I don't see it. Pretty essential, IMHO. > > 2. I can close a tab (like the documentation) if I control-click on it, but > the pane remains... and I've ended up with lots of panes that I have to quit > to get rid of. In general I love the look of the GUI but wish the controls > were more obvious/standard in many cases. > > 3. Can automatic bracket insertion be turned off? It's problematic in my > book, especially for newcomers who should be allowed to use the keyboarding > skills that they already have. > > 4. Is there a block comment/uncomment feature? > > 5. The console output precedes every line with the file that generated it, > which means that you can't get a clean output log. Lots of the code that I > and my students write is oriented toward producing textual output in the > console, and this sort of rules out those uses (unless you want to clean up > the output later, which would be a pain). > > 6. Can I make a new project? I don't immediately see how... (Digression: > tried to search the documentation for this but couldn't see how to do the > search... I do get a (novel) find pane for my open editor window, but can I > make that work for the documentation pane? Can I make it go away? Again, > looks cool but I wish it leveraged more common GUI idioms.) > > 7. A new project created with lein at the command line works, but an older > one gives "Light Table requires Clojure Version 1.5.1 or higher"... I see > that that old project used [org.clojure/clojure "1.4.0"]... Awkward that this > couldn't be run even if the IDE needs something newer for itself... > > 8. Expressions that produce big values can make it hard to read your code by > interspersing the values, which I may not really want to see. > > 9. Is there anyway to get "arglist on space" or arglists (and/or > documentation) in another pane or a popup or whatever, either as you type or > when you hit a particular key? > > Overall: Very cool in several ways, some glitches or little issues that I > could live with, but also quite a few that would be pretty problematic to me > personally, for my teaching and/or my own use (specifically 1, 3, 5, & 9). > > Clooj is better on many of these issues, but it has some other weaknesses > (esp that it is not maintained very actively, e.g. I don't know if it works > with modern leiningen). NightCode is also getting into the running, I think. > But from my perspective none of them yet fill the niche that I've been > discussing. > > -Lee > > PS I'd be in Clojure IDE heaven if someone could provide some version of one > of these light-weight Clojure IDEs that also incorporated nrepl-ritz so that > we could see the values of locals when we hit exceptions... -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to clojure+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/clojure?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. 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