I agree that the ability to get a machine-readable parse failure is very
important for tooling. However I feel very strongly that the error messages
that are printed by default on macro validation failures should be easily
understandable, and the current ones are not. If we completely punt to
tooling for this, firstly users will receive different (and different
quality) error messages depending on the tool they're using, and anyone
using plain vanilla Clojure will not get good errors at all.

On 23 August 2016 at 11:45, Oliver George <oli...@condense.com.au> wrote:

>
> I'm interested to see any discussion regarding this point.  No doubt
> translating spec data into more friendly formats has been discussed.
>
> Getting the data right is clojure's problem.  That's the concrete
> foundation and building blocks required for tooling.  Seems like Rich has
> done spectacularly there.
>
> Potentially it's up to tooling to do more with that data.  I'd love to
> hear Bruce (figwheel), Collin's (cursive) and Bozhidar (cider) opinions
> about that.
>
>
> On Tuesday, 23 August 2016 08:11:27 UTC+10, Brian Marick wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Leon Grapenthin <grapent...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Still the error messages are simply far from good enough and that is what
>> appears to me as the main problem OP has.
>>
>>
>> This is important. Will the new, stricter error messages be improved
>> before 1.9 is finalized?
>>
>>
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