"has a Santana 21 that he stripped out ... " Stripped out is subject to PHRF penalties. If not reported the skipper could be protested and DSQ Then again - if stripped out means he took off all the excess baggage that most of us carry and took the boat to factory contents then that is a different story .... Otherwise - skipper is cheating
________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Pat Nevitt Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:23 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Now PHRF "Sleepers" While I love C&C's, those Frers are just plain great boats all around - fast, beautifully designed and built and very nice down below. For a PHRF beater, there is a guy locally who has a Santana 21 that he stripped out and optimized for light air on the Bay. He kills everyone with his gift 264 rating. He only looses in heavier stuff when he gets waterlined. If you consider Pearson Flyer, why not a Tartan 10? A great PHRF and one design boat if you can find one in decent shape. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Ron Casciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net> wrote: David: The PHRF sleeper category has been around for a long time............. Depending on what class you want to sail in: Fast vs Slower???? You could start with an old Frers 36 built by Carroll Marine............Unbeatable in that class.; You could then move down to an Islander 36 tall rig..........also tough to get in front of; or as Dennis Conner did several years ago to a Ranger 26......... The boat to beat in my class (B) 100-130 is an old Pearson Flyer, he's been the second Flyer we've seen over the last 20 years and both are always at the front. He's chased once in a while by a Laser 28..........and then a Frers 33 and me. Once in a while we get lucky........most of the time, they're just good. All ratings aside............you still have to have competitive crew and sail well.............. Best, Ron Casciato Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC.....'77 Mass Bay ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Risch Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:57 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Taras, If I were to buy a "PHRF-Beater" (a boat that easily or more easily sails to its rating) it would be a Frers XX (take your choice). Very anecdotal of course, but I have been told, and witnessed myself, that as a baseline, they seem to have a good rating for their speed. My 2 cents... David F. Risch 1981 40-2 (401) 419-4650 <tel:%28401%29%20419-4650> (cell) ________________________________ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:25:21 -0400 From: mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Taras Back to one of your roriginal questions 2) This boat also has an additional genoa track closer to the rail. Should this affect the handicap? In most areas moving genoa tracks and other gear on the decks has no affect on handicap. In our area (Nova Scotia) it does not. As a matter of fact last Spring I installed an additional jib track on our J27 that was on the deck rather than coach roof to open the slot when sailing with #3 in windier conditions. This has no effect on rating as is the same as barber hauling or if more inboard then inhauling ... which we are supoposed to be doing anyway. The outboard track did have a very positive effect on boat handling this Fall when the wind came up. We now have three tracks on each side .. 2 forward and one aft for the #2 & #1 Mike ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of TARAS IWANYCKI Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 8:58 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating I have a general question about boat dynamics and related phrf rating I have been racing against a Frers33 this season, a first-time boat owner with green crew, that cleaned up and won almost everything in all conditions Many of us are asking whether is handicap was correct. The OD rating for the boat is 114 and the owner claimed this for the season This boat had it's keel depth shortened by 6-8 inches and added a bulb to equal the lost keel weight. From what I understand, if you add a bulb to your keel, it will stiffen the boat's feel....correct? But... 1) What impact would cutting the keel down and adding a bulb to offset the lost ballast do? Would she be faster? slower? Point higher? Lower? 2) This boat also has an additional genoa track closer to the rail. Should this affect the handicap? 3) What is the official way of determining the correct handicap? Is there an official body to address? Thanks Taras _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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