I have been thinking about the shortcomings of PHRF recently and how ratings can be challenged. http://www.phrf-nb.org/ has a description of the process which is interesting. It tends to stack the odds against the "odd" or older boat. If you can take the politics out of it, generally it will be hard to have enough data will not have enough data to persuade the committee to adjust your boat based on performance of the boat (and not the skipper).
Please note, I am complaining about my PHRF. But if I wanted to it would be quite difficult. On LIS there is only one other 34+ rated as of 2012. So it would be hard to have evidence that the boat consistently does better or worse against similarly rated boats. >From my experience in the local fleet, I can keep pace with a J-105, and regularly beat at Beneteau 36.7. But in distance races 36.7s from other fleets have killed me. There is a Tripp 37 that regularly mops up the local fleet, but when he races on the sound he is mid-fleet. Also, unlike one-design fleets that have class rules, PHRF has virtually no limits on things like sails. So in a more wealthly fleet, it can really become an arms race. Anyhoo, just some random thoughts. On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> wrote: > The brain trust at the YRALIS PHRF Board had them at 102. > > I think there were two J105 owners on the board at the time. > > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website<http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/> > > On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:43 PM, "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> > wrote: > > If there are some obvious goof-ups by your local PHRF group, why can't you > lobby them to consider the national database that US Sailing uses. Your > local conditions cannot be that different than the rest of the country, and > if they are, then there should be a bunch of differences and some logic > behind them. I view our locals as 'not good' because they do create some > stupid numbers, but on the average, they seem to be in the ball park. > > Since the national numbers (high, low, and average) have been published, I > would assume that your locals should be urged to come up with some logic > behind any substantial differences. If they are that corrupt and play > favorites, then I guess you are really screwed. > > We do get some screw-ups - I think they screwed the C&C 99 originally and > haven't fixed it enough, but Tim Jackett brought out hull number 1 (which > didn't have a full interior) out here to show us how good it was. With a > killer crew, they kicked butt - and got the handicap that boat deserved. > When the production boats hit the water, they were not able to sail to > those numbers and the lobbying started.... > > I still think the classic is when my friend took the inboard diesel, > strut, prop, etc. out of his Andrews 26 and got a handicap increase from > 138 to 141.... never could understand the logic behind that. > > What does your group have for the J105? > > Gary > Chesbay > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Sent:* Friday, February 08, 2013 4:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Handicap review > > All, > ) > Here's my 3 cents (increased for inflation) on PHRF. In the past, I've > found the PHRF Board from the YRA of LIS to be the most corrupt and > ethically-challenged group in existence. To quote a famous movie, "You will > never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." > > Now, things have gotten better in our area, but the problem I see is that > the sins of the past are hard to correct. This was especially true recently > with an issue with the J/105 rating, which was WAY different than in other > areas. But no board of people is ever going to say "we messed up" and > adjust 18 points. That would just exposed how bad the system was (and is.) > > The bigger problem is that it's all we got. IRC measurements are expensive > and can only be done for larger boats. There was promise with Americap, but > that died out. There needs to be a way to eliminate the human element that > we see on PHRF boards and find a formula system similar to what the IRC and > Americap systems used, but make it free and universal. Until then, love it > or hate it, we're stuck with PHRF. > > So there's the challenge -- And I urge all you retired mathematic or > engineering experts to fire up that old Apple II computer and come up with > a system that will take in sail area, displacement, waterline and the I, J, > P and E measurements (and give credits for certain speed-affecting cursing > gear) and spit out a rating number or Time Correction Factor that will end > all the favoritism and corruption at the local PHRF Board. > > There has got to be a way. > All the best, > > Edd > > > Edd M. Schillay > Starship Enterprise > C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B > City Island, NY > Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website<http://ncc1701a.blogspot.com/> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >
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