Were they the shallow draft models? Our PHRF has the SD models at 87.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Edd Schillay
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
The brain trust at the YRALIS PHRF Board had them at 102.
I think there were two J105 owners on the board at the time.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:43 PM, "Gary Nylander" <gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> wrote:
If there are some obvious goof-ups by your local PHRF group, why can't you
lobby them to consider the national database that US Sailing uses. Your local
conditions cannot be that different than the rest of the country, and if they
are, then there should be a bunch of differences and some logic behind them. I
view our locals as 'not good' because they do create some stupid numbers, but
on the average, they seem to be in the ball park.
Since the national numbers (high, low, and average) have been published, I
would assume that your locals should be urged to come up with some logic behind
any substantial differences. If they are that corrupt and play favorites, then
I guess you are really screwed.
We do get some screw-ups - I think they screwed the C&C 99 originally and
haven't fixed it enough, but Tim Jackett brought out hull number 1 (which
didn't have a full interior) out here to show us how good it was. With a killer
crew, they kicked butt - and got the handicap that boat deserved. When the
production boats hit the water, they were not able to sail to those numbers and
the lobbying started....
I still think the classic is when my friend took the inboard diesel, strut,
prop, etc. out of his Andrews 26 and got a handicap increase from 138 to
141.... never could understand the logic behind that.
What does your group have for the J105?
Gary
Chesbay
----- Original Message -----
From: Edd Schillay
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review
All,
)
Here's my 3 cents (increased for inflation) on PHRF. In the past, I've
found the PHRF Board from the YRA of LIS to be the most corrupt and
ethically-challenged group in existence. To quote a famous movie, "You will
never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."
Now, things have gotten better in our area, but the problem I see is that
the sins of the past are hard to correct. This was especially true recently
with an issue with the J/105 rating, which was WAY different than in other
areas. But no board of people is ever going to say "we messed up" and adjust 18
points. That would just exposed how bad the system was (and is.)
The bigger problem is that it's all we got. IRC measurements are expensive
and can only be done for larger boats. There was promise with Americap, but
that died out. There needs to be a way to eliminate the human element that we
see on PHRF boards and find a formula system similar to what the IRC and
Americap systems used, but make it free and universal. Until then, love it or
hate it, we're stuck with PHRF.
So there's the challenge -- And I urge all you retired mathematic or
engineering experts to fire up that old Apple II computer and come up with a
system that will take in sail area, displacement, waterline and the I, J, P and
E measurements (and give credits for certain speed-affecting cursing gear) and
spit out a rating number or Time Correction Factor that will end all the
favoritism and corruption at the local PHRF Board.
There has got to be a way.
All the best,
Edd
Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
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