Eric, I race our 34R in a small mixed fleet and we do well, usually finishing 1st or 2nd against only 4 to 5 boats, but many times, a J28 with a ridiculous "GIFT" PHRF rating of 174, beats us if he finishes within 5 minutes of us.
Instead, I really compete against one boat: a 34+ wing keel with a standard two spreader rig, and he is very fast. Good friend and keen on the helm. I learn every race, cause he's beaten me more than I've beaten him. I'd like to race you Eric, in your home waters, near Nyack. It would be fun to compare, since we have the same unique 6' 3" keel. Or, you could race me off the Atlantic City boardwalk, this July, and we have two local 34+s registered, and if we got you and one more 34/36 we could get our own start. Now that would be very special!! Any chance you'd consider that? Checkout: http://www.ocyc.org/acrw/2013ACRW-NOR.pdf Let me know your thoughts, cause the two 34's race non-spin, and I'm thinking of entering the spin fleet this year, and wouldn't want to miss racing against 34/36s. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Atlantic City, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Baumes" <eric.bau...@gmail.com> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Friday, February 8, 2013 6:02:08 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Handicap review I have been thinking about the shortcomings of PHRF recently and how ratings can be challenged. http://www.phrf-nb.org/ has a description of the process which is interesting. It tends to stack the odds against the "odd" or older boat. If you can take the politics out of it, generally it will be hard to have enough data will not have enough data to persuade the committee to adjust your boat based on performance of the boat (and not the skipper). Please note, I am complaining about my PHRF. But if I wanted to it would be quite difficult. On LIS there is only one other 34+ rated as of 2012. So it would be hard to have evidence that the boat consistently does better or worse against similarly rated boats. >From my experience in the local fleet, I can keep pace with a J-105, and >regularly beat at Beneteau 36.7. But in distance races 36.7s from other fleets >have killed me. There is a Tripp 37 that regularly mops up the local fleet, >but when he races on the sound he is mid-fleet. Also, unlike one-design fleets that have class rules, PHRF has virtually no limits on things like sails. So in a more wealthly fleet, it can really become an arms race. Anyhoo, just some random thoughts.
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