Hi Ron, I agree, the hardware will be quite expensive, but there is, at least, double the amount of sail material also. Separate email in process.
Gary On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Ron Casciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net>wrote: > Gary: I think the problem with his project is that he mentioned going > for speed………..and I’m not sure he’s moved far enough in the project to do > much other than a straight line………… > > > > I may Google him to see if he’s still at it. I thought that video ws a > couple of years old…………. > > > > It won’t be the sails that cost, from the article I have, it will be the > inside mast (s) and cantilevered fore-boom…………… but they did convert an > Elan 37 for the article and it looks great. > > > > Slip me an address off line and I’ll use the article for packing > something, > > > > rjcasci...@comcast.net > > > > Ron > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary > Russell > *Sent:* Monday, November 11, 2013 7:15 AM > *To:* C&C List > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel + New Wing sail for monohulls > alaAC72. > > > > Hi Ron, > > I did consider that hull shape (or rudder) might provide the lift > required to counteract leeway, but was surprised the speaker didn't talk > about it. Good promoters don't leave questions unanswered. > > > > The Formula wing sail is very cool! Can't wait to see what my > sailmaker will charge for that one! > > > > Gary > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Ron Casciato <rjcasci...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > Gary: > > > > If I saw the video correctly, from the force images, etc., the surface > areas of the hull at speed are only about a quarter of the whole hull and > on the rear quarter where he has a big rudder on each side. If the surface > area of the hull approximates a much smaller hull shape, like a dinghy, > then the rudder should be enough to hold leeway to a controllable > amount……….. > > > > It’s the lift that our keels provide and I’m not sure he doesn’t have some > step or other shape in the hull under the water that might do the same > thing…………. > > > > I’m ready to fill out a APHRF handicap sheet and send it in just to shake > it up a bit…………. > > > > So now check out the web site for Formula-marine.com and scroll down to > their Omer One Sail………… There is an article in the British journal of > Yachting Monthly , October 2013 issue that tests this “Wing Sail “ out on > an Elan 37……….. They have a short video with some dramatic views of this > rig set up. Lots of good stuff going on out there………….. > > http://www.formulamarine.com/projects-2/projects-carbon/omer-wing-sail The > rest of their web sdite is also very interesting…………. > > > > Best, > > > > Ron C. > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary > Russell > *Sent:* Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:33 PM > *To:* C&C List > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel > > > > Jake, > > Agreed. > > Gary > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jake Brodersen <captain_j...@cox.net> > wrote: > > Gary, > > > > With this type of design, a centerboard or other type of structure would > be needed to avoid excessive leeway, > > > > On you second point, I agree. Stability will be vanishing as the bulb > gets higher above the water. It could certainly make for some interesting > sailing. Self righting might be an issue. > > > > Jake > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary > Russell > *Sent:* Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:28 PM > *To:* C&C List > > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Flying lead keel > > > > My first problem with this canting design is that a typical keel performs > two functions; a counter-balance for the forces against the sail, and a > lifting foil to generate lift to windward to counteract leeway. I only see > the counter-balance in this design. > > > > My second problem with this design is the fact that as heel increases, the > effect of the keel weight gets less, unless you continuously adjust the > cant angle to keep it just above the water. > > > > Am I missing something? I'm not saying these are insurmountable problems, > but I don't see them addressed in Speed Dream. > > > > Gary > > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Chuck S <cscheaf...@comcast.net> wrote: > > Hey Dwight, > That's an amazing canting keel design. Guess we have to wait and see if > such ideas will sell in the future? > > Chuck > *Resolute* > 1990 C&C 34R > Atlantic City, NJ > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > > -- ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~
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