Dwight, Our sailing styles sound very much alike, most of my time nowadays is spent cruising around with the wife and kids but I did spend I lot of time racing and working all the different parts of the boats. The bottom line is that I would not consider putting a wire halyard on my boat, the technology in rope has far surpassed it! If you select the proper blended rope, you can easily improve on every property that matters for your use and you can do it for less money. James S/V Delaney 1976 C&C 38 Oriental, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again
Right.I never go up there except when on the hook and neither does anyone else.we carry a furling 135 and a main sail, both of them pretty good performance sails but we don't race and we don't need to do headsail changes on the fly to have fun and the rest of my numerous sails stay in the basement.we sail in a very civilized way and it is great.if you like to race good for you, I know exactly what that is like, it's different than just sailing for fun with your wife and if you like to work the bow on a racing boat even better, hard work.but having done that for many years (not the bow but racing I mean) I finally know where the fun really is ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails Sent: December 2, 2013 7:02 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again Dwight, you obviously don't work on the pointy end of the boat! Whoever does that on your boat is handling wire, and fish hooks suck!!!! James S/V Delaney 1976 C&C 38 Oriental, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: dwight To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 4:41 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again I never get the wire on my hands, so I don't worry about fish hooks.you need to adjust length at the wire end to make that right.my boat was delivered with rope to wire about 40 years ago.the sheaves don't mind some new wire.my lines don't chew on each other.if they did I would change something.if my halyards get that close to the water that floating matters I am in big trouble.hydrophobic, I think steel wire is too Flipping end for end, really how many of us do that, if it's that bad on one end I just get a new one and with wire to rope that is about every 10-15 years for me.I can handle that ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: December 2, 2013 1:44 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List halyards again Rope is lighter, DIY, easier on the hand, easier on the sheaves, rope doesn't get fish hooks and won't chew on the other lines as bad. Often times the rope will float depending on the material and may be hydrophobic. You can also flip rope end for end when it starts to get worn or simply freshen up the end. Just my 2 cents, Josh Muckley On Dec 2, 2013 11:32 AM, "Joel Aronson" <joel.aron...@gmail.com> wrote: David, The rope is stretching over the entire 100 foot -plus length. Halyard tension should be adjusted during a race - less downwind, more upwind. You would need to check the sheaves to see if they were changed. Rope compatible sheaves are more V shaped. Rope is more of a DIY project unless you have the tools. You still the need the rope tail. Dyneema is lighter than wire, but I doubt you would notice the difference on a 12,000 boat. Joel 35/3 Annapolis On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: David Have your ruled out slippage of the halyards in the clutches? We have this problem on a number of boats on which I sail. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of David Knecht Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:58 AM To: CnC CnC discussion list Subject: Stus-List halyards again I was thinking about the recent discussions of new high tech halyards and have a question. The PO replaced my halyards with all rope, but I don't know what kind it is. I have noticed significant changes in sail shape over a day of sailing which I am presuming is stretch. Given the length of a rope halyard for a C&C, the stretch factor seems like a serious issue. If you have 60' of line after uphaul, then 2-4% stretch becomes a significant amount of change in mainsail shape. Those are the kinds of stretch numbers I am seeing for lower tech line. I don't want to have to adjust the halyard during a race when shorthanded. One solution seem to be to use a low stretch line (spectra core, etc.) and the other is wire/rope. It looks like wire-rope is actually less expensive, so what is the down side? Are they less durable? If someone says weight, then I am going to ask for a calculation of the relative weight difference of wire vs rope given the huge mass of aluminum and dacron we all have sticking 40' off the deck. I am hard pressed to believe that small weight difference is significant for non-Americas cup sailors. Dave David Knecht Aries 1990 C&C 34+ New London, CT _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com -- Joel 301 541 8551 _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this message. 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