I once asked Rob Ball about that flat area of my 34R, because it would slam 
when crossing a wave. He said that feature was proven to be fast in IOR designs 
and even though the 1990 34/36R, 34/36+, 34/36XL series was designed for IMS, 
he incorporated it into this hull. He told me it wouldn't slam when sailing, or 
when heeled because the hull has a vee on either side of the flat, so it acts 
like a keel when heeled. I've learned to avoid the slam by sailing more, or 
motorsailing, or motoring thru chop or crossing waves at an angle. I've since 
seen that flat section on many other brand racers. 

The newest racing sailboat designs (like C&C 30 and Redline 41) however have 
eliptical cross sections, like a canoe, bow to stern. Have you seen the chines 
on the Volvo Ocean 65's this year? 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md 

----- Original Message -----

From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
To: "Robert Abbott" <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> 
Cc: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 5:16:04 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surfing hulls 



HI, I meant the STEM.. so yes, between keel and the pointy end :-) 



Regards 


Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia 
Robert Abbott ---11/03/2014 05:05:13 PM---We raced a 34R extensively......I 
recall the hull on this one to be flat from the leading edge of k 

From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> 
To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Date: 11/03/2014 05:05 PM 
Subject: Surfing hulls 




We raced a 34R extensively......I recall the hull on this one to be flat from 
the leading edge of keel forward to the bow.......not from the keel back to the 
stern. 

I don't ever recall getting this 34R to surf.....now we rarely wound this boat 
up to its full potential unless we had a John Roy on board for a race and even 
then I don't recall surfing. 

Rob Abbott 
AZURA 
C&C 32 - 84 
Halifax, N.S. 





On 2014/11/03 12:21 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: 

The Rob Ball designed 34+ / XL / R series have a flat surface on the bottom 
between the leading edge of the keel and the stem. The folklore says it's 
supposed to be a planing section to help support nose when running the Spin and 
keep the bow from "diggin'in" / surf the backside of bigger waves.. The waves 
on the lake are not big enough to surf / my spin is not quite ready yet. I 
can't speak from experience. Perhaps Chuck S can comment on his experience with 
his 34 R surfing waves off the coast of Atlantic City? I did miss an 
opportunity to test the fast stuff this saturday, winds were in excess of 30 
knots and the weather was gorgeous. I did not have a crew so I watched-it from 
the dock as I was doing some needed topsides and decks cleaning / waxing.. 
-Francois Rivard 1990 34+ "Take Five" Lake Lanier, Georgia 

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