Interesting comments. I sailed a 34+ for many years in a lot of conditions and never saw any sustained plaining on any point of sail. Even my 121 will run a bit on a broad reach but again not what you would think of as a plaining hull. Sorry, that’s melges territory. On the plus side we do have a bit more accommodation in the cabin. Not to say the 34+, 37+, 110, 121 aren’t good performing boats. Just saying surfing is not their forte. Btw - the 34+ was a very noisy boat. A little too much flex in the hull and it would pound. Again, a trade off in term of performance vs. cruise ability. Love Rob and have a lots respect for him but that one he may have some rose colored glasses on. Not structural by any means as I put more than a few offshore miles on the boat (and still consider it the best boat I ever owned).
Would love to sail one of the latest C&C’s. John On Nov 3, 2014, at 7:01 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I once asked Rob Ball about that flat area of my 34R, because it would slam > when crossing a wave. He said that feature was proven to be fast in IOR > designs and even though the 1990 34/36R, 34/36+, 34/36XL series was designed > for IMS, he incorporated it into this hull. He told me it wouldn't slam when > sailing, or when heeled because the hull has a vee on either side of the > flat, so it acts like a keel when heeled. I've learned to avoid the slam by > sailing more, or motorsailing, or motoring thru chop or crossing waves at an > angle. I've since seen that flat section on many other brand racers. > > The newest racing sailboat designs (like C&C 30 and Redline 41) however have > eliptical cross sections, like a canoe, bow to stern. Have you seen the > chines on the Volvo Ocean 65's this year? > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > From: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: "Robert Abbott" <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > Cc: "CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 5:16:04 PM > Subject: Re: Stus-List Surfing hulls > > HI, I meant the STEM.. so yes, between keel and the pointy end :-) > > > > Regards > Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > > <graycol.gif>Robert Abbott ---11/03/2014 05:05:13 PM---We raced a 34R > extensively......I recall the hull on this one to be flat from the leading > edge of k > > From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Date: 11/03/2014 05:05 PM > Subject: Surfing hulls > > > > We raced a 34R extensively......I recall the hull on this one to be flat from > the leading edge of keel forward to the bow.......not from the keel back to > the stern. > > I don't ever recall getting this 34R to surf.....now we rarely wound this > boat up to its full potential unless we had a John Roy on board for a race > and even then I don't recall surfing. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > On 2014/11/03 12:21 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: > > The Rob Ball designed 34+ / XL / R series have a flat surface on the bottom > between the leading edge of the keel and the stem. The folklore says it's > supposed to be a planing section to help support nose when running the Spin > and keep the bow from "diggin'in" / surf the backside of bigger waves.. > The waves on the lake are not big enough to surf / my spin is not quite ready > yet. I can't speak from experience. > > Perhaps Chuck S can comment on his experience with his 34 R surfing waves off > the coast of Atlantic City? > > I did miss an opportunity to test the fast stuff this saturday, winds were in > excess of 30 knots and the weather was gorgeous. I did not have a crew so I > watched-it from the dock as I was doing some needed topsides and decks > cleaning / waxing.. > > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >
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