I have to put some props in for the 35-3; we hit 10+ knots the last two weekends we were out this year. The first time was with the spinnaker up in above 25knots, flat water on a fairly tight reach for those conditions (about 110 / 120 apparent). If we had been able to bear off I'm sure we would have gone faster. The other time was in less wind (~20), but with big seas from a long fetch and wind against current. We saw 10.5 knots for some sustained surfing with a 110% jib and single reefed main - that was fun! The waves weren't aligned with the wind, so we were on a broad reach, but going directly down the waves. The reason we were going downwind in the second case was because I got tired of being airborne / slamming going the other way and didn't want to break the boat on the last sail of the year...
Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Robert Abbott via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Lots of fast boats have a flat bottom from the keel forward.....I made a > short delivery (40 miles) on a J44 in heavy winds and seas on the > 'nose'......the boat pounded on every wave it hit. > > I don't think the the 34R is any different.....the same thing happened on > a delivery from Port Hawkesbury to Halifax with the wind and waves on the > nose.....that front flat section of the bottom does not push the water away > in those conditions.....at least it didn't for us.....both sailing and > motoring. So I am not sure what Rob Ball means when he says "it wouldn't > slam when sailing, or when heeled because the hull has a vee on either side > of the flat, so it acts like a keel when heeled. " > > We did a lot of spin runs racing the 34R.....the fastest I can recall we > got the boat going was about 10.2 knots on the GPS and that was with a 3/4 > oz. chute in about 25 knts true. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > On 2014/11/03 8:01 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List wrote: > > I once asked Rob Ball about that flat area of my 34R, because it would > slam when crossing a wave. He said that feature was proven to be fast in > IOR designs and even though the 1990 34/36R, 34/36+, 34/36XL series was > designed for IMS, he incorporated it into this hull. He told me it > wouldn't slam when sailing, or when heeled because the hull has a vee on > either side of the flat, so it acts like a keel when heeled. I've learned > to avoid the slam by sailing more, or motorsailing, or motoring thru chop > or crossing waves at an angle. I've since seen that flat section on many > other brand racers. > > The newest racing sailboat designs (like C&C 30 and Redline 41) however > have eliptical cross sections, like a canoe, bow to stern. Have you seen > the chines on the Volvo Ocean 65's this year? > > > Chuck > Resolute > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To: *"Robert Abbott" <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > *Cc: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *Sent: *Monday, November 3, 2014 5:16:04 PM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List Surfing hulls > > HI, I meant the STEM.. so yes, between keel and the pointy end :-) > > > > Regards > > Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > > > [image: Inactive hide details for Robert Abbott ---11/03/2014 05:05:13 > PM---We raced a 34R extensively......I recall the hull on this o]Robert > Abbott ---11/03/2014 05:05:13 PM---We raced a 34R extensively......I recall > the hull on this one to be flat from the leading edge of k > > From: Robert Abbott <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> <robertabb...@eastlink.ca> > To: Jean-Francois J Rivard/Atlanta/IBM@IBMUS, cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Date: 11/03/2014 05:05 PM > Subject: Surfing hulls > ------------------------------ > > > > We raced a 34R extensively......I recall the hull on this one to be flat > from the leading edge of keel forward to the bow.......not from the keel > back to the stern. > > I don't ever recall getting this 34R to surf.....now we rarely wound this > boat up to its full potential unless we had a John Roy on board for a race > and even then I don't recall surfing. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > > > > On 2014/11/03 12:21 PM, Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List wrote: > > > The Rob Ball designed 34+ / XL / R series have a flat surface on the > bottom between the leading edge of the keel and the stem. The folklore > says it's supposed to be a planing section to help support nose when > running the Spin and keep the bow from "diggin'in" / surf the backside of > bigger waves.. The waves on the lake are not big enough to surf / my > spin is not quite ready yet. I can't speak from experience. > > Perhaps Chuck S can comment on his experience with his 34 R surfing > waves off the coast of Atlantic City? > > I did miss an opportunity to test the fast stuff this saturday, winds > were in excess of 30 knots and the weather was gorgeous. I did not have a > crew so I watched-it from the dock as I was doing some needed topsides and > decks cleaning / waxing.. > > > -Francois Rivard > 1990 34+ "Take Five" > Lake Lanier, Georgia > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address:CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of page > at:http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go bottom of > page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > >
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