Burt, This is the most helpful, non-judgmental group I have ever been a part of. Ask away! With self tailers you do not need jam/cam cleats. It helps to have one person tail and one grind to reduce slippage.
My Barients are pretty much idiot proof. No 2 gears are the same, so it would be hard to put them back together incorrectly. If you are doing 2, remove both drums but take them apart one at a time so you can look at the dirty one when you reassemble the clean one. Joel On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Burt Stratton via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I just figured out what a self-tailing winch is! I always thought my jam > cleats made them self-tailing. > > > > Yeah I am that much of a novice to sailing boats bigger than knockabouts. > It seems to me that they would be most useful when racing or single or > short handing. My assumption is that they remove the need for someone to > keep pressure on the sheet (or whatever you are winching) behind the winch > thus allowing a one hand operation (or one person operation on larger > winches). Does that remove the need for jam cleats behind the winches? > > > > This is just for my knowledge. Based on the cost I have seen for new > self-tailing winches I have suddenly become satisfied with my non tailing > winches….for now. > > > > My plan is to take them off the boat and bring them to my shop to clean > and lubricate them. I’m a pretty decent mechanic. May I assume that > disassembling them is a relatively simple process? > > > > Burt > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck > S via CnC-List > *Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:48 AM > *To:* Jake Brodersen; CNC boat owners, cnc-list > > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII > > > > Self tailers are king. Racing w them is worth getting used to. Our boat > came w 4 self tailers and 2 non. The non-self tailers are primary winches > we use only when we have crew for racing. These winches require two guys, > one cranking and one tailing. I added big jam cleats to speed up the > release and trim. If I replace them, they will be self tailers from > Anderson probaby. Otherwise, I may remove them completely and rely on the > four self tailing winches. > > > > > > Chuck > *Resolute* > 1990 C&C 34R > Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Jake Brodersen via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > *To: *"Joel Aronson" <joel.aron...@gmail.com>, cnc-list@cnc-list.com, > "Bradley Lumgair" <lumg...@hotmail.com> > *Sent: *Saturday, February 21, 2015 10:20:40 AM > *Subject: *Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII > > > > Joel, > > > > I love self tailers! Of the ten winches I have on board, eight are self > tailing. They are especially helpful when sailing short handed. As the > helmsman, I like to tweak the genoa trim from time to time. My aft winches > are great for that. > > > > Jake > > > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *Hampton VA* > > > > > > > > *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com > <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson via CnC-List > *Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 9:56 AM > *To:* Bradley Lumgair; cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List CnC-List C&C 33 MKII > > > > Brad > > > > My race crew hates self tailers. I prefer them for thejib sheets. Hard to > imagine the bearings are shot. A good clean and regrease should do it. Use > oil not grease on springs and pawls. > > > > Joel > > 35/3 > > Annapolis > > > > On Saturday, February 21, 2015, Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > Was at Toronto Boat Show, just realized I did pick up a catalogue for > Garhauer, nice stuff as I recall. will check them out further. > The plan in my little head right now is to 1) change out the halyards for > all synthetic, 2) try to pull new wire from the top of the mast and rig new > instruments, the old don't work anyways so I'm not losing anything even if > I'm unsuccessful, 3) check bushings/trade out sheaves after the mast comes > down in the fall. > Theres a lot of talk about self tailing winches, aftermarket or original > equipment? Eight Barient winches on ours, none are self tailing and all > need servicing, I see West Marine sells springs and pawls, I should get a > couple of sets for the inevitable loss, if needed I should be able to pick > up bearings at a local bearing shop? > Thank you for all your advise and suggestions > Brad > > > > Sent, miraculously through cyberspace, > from my iPad! > > > > > On Feb 21, 2015, at 04:28, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > <http://JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED;> wrote: > > > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > > cnc-list@cnc-list.com <http://JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED;> > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com <http://JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED;> > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com <http://JAVASCRIPT-BLOCKED;> > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. 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