Hi Rick,
Thanks for backing me up on this.
It's a good thread and we got enough information
to conclude there is no simple "time to reef" and
there is a pile of good tricks to forestall tucking in a reef.
Sometimes, the best time to reef is as you
express with using angle of heel as the indicator
to gain the best speed and comfort. However,
there are times on the race course, with the 45',
where I will not call for a reef if the windward
mark can be seen. It is often quicker to carry
on, with a crew of 6 - 9 and recalling the statement,
"The chance for mistakes is about equal to the
number of crew squared." - Ted Turner
And I hope my point was not interpreted by anyone
as: "reef when the toe-rail in in the water".
That is not the same as: "if your toe-rail is in
then water, it's time to reef."
"Any fool can carry on, but a wise man knows how
to shorten sail in time." - Joseph Conrad
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island
At 01:39 PM 13/02/2016, you wrote:
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toe rail getting buried might not be the best indicator.
To bury the toe rail on my 38 takes over 33
degrees of heel. And the boat is at its best
with 18 to 20. 25 degrees of heel still leaves
the toe rail about a foot out of the water.
Now my 25 is different. There is less free board
so 25 degrees of heal puts the toe rail just
about in the water. But the boat is still faster
and more comfortable with only about 20 degrees on her.
If I am in a hurry, when I get to about 15
degrees of heel, and presuming there are no
white faces and white knuckles among the guests,
I will start doing the other things you suggest:
dropping the traveler, flattening the main or
easing the vang & sheet to twist off the head,
changing course a bit, etc. If that doesnt cut
it, it is time to reef. And white faces and
white knuckles mean reefing even earlier.
Rick Brass
Imzadi C&C 38 mk 2
la Belle Aurore C&C 25 mk1
Washington, NC
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Dwight's content should not be missed.
Crew weight is as important as apparent wind
speed & angle and maybe even include time to
destination or course change for deciding "when to reef".
For me, a simple observation "is the toe-rail
getting buried" is the tell-tale. If she can't
be put back on 'er feet by dropping the
traveller, flattening the main or easing the
vang & sheet to twist off the head, changing
course a bit, getting some "wellies to weather" then it's time to reef.
Let the toe-rail be your guide. This goes for
any size of our boats, they are not initially
tender so it is not fast or comfortable to sail "on yur ear".
Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1
Vancouver Island
At 06:26 AM 13/02/2016, you wrote:
One season I started early and just left the
main reefed even when I packed up at the end of
a sail. We get stiff wind here in early May.
Anyway with Alianna I now prefer full main and
furled genoa 135 to 120 then to110 and mine
works ok furled to 100% with no change of lead
points. If that's still too much for comfort the
genoa gets rolled up all the way and just full
main alone. Racing is different as the amount of
sail you can carry is a function of weight on
the windward rail; crew weight. Never really had
enough on Alianna but I would love to try her
with 6 or 8 agile 200 pounders up there; then I
am using a 150 up front and ready to do sail changes.Â
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