Thanks Edd, Alan, and Chuck for the suggestions. She's currently on the Toms River, so Toms River YC could maybe be a possibility. I will ask around my marina as well.
Chuck - We had an uneventful transit through the Manasquan inlet Saturday in a 3-4' East swell with a South wind about 15kts. However, what I hadn't expected was the following current once inside. It was ripping 3-4kts as I pulled up to Hoffman's for our overnight slip. That made for an interesting end to a long sailing day when the usually-open rail bridge between us and our slip snapped shut on our approach. The Point Pleasant canal was no problem on Sunday as we timed it for slack tide. I can imagine that canal turns into a washing machine though when the currents run. The biggest problem I had in the narrow canal was keeping her steady when power boaters would go blasting by completely ignoring the no wake restriction. The four bridge operators we contacted for openings to make our way to the Toms River were very helpful. > On Jun 21, 2016, at 3:11 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki (ALAN BERGEN) > 2. Re: C&C 30-2 -when to reef?? (Kevin Driscoll) > 3. Re: Roller Furling Line (Joel Aronson) > 4. Re: continuous line furlers (Martin Kane) > 5. Re: NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki (Chuck Gilchrest) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:33:45 -0700 > From: ALAN BERGEN <trya...@alumni.usc.edu> > To: "cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki > Message-ID: > <cabnknf0kvquo8bhp6zt-akcknz_f1ifbr_faex+fgvsisip...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Check out the yacht clubs in your area. Possibly one or two in your > marina. Not all clubs are the large, rich snooty kinds. You'll get to meet > racers who can give you advice. Also, lots of social activities. > > Alan Bergen > 35 Mk III Thirsty > Rose City YC > Portland. OR > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Ryan Doyle via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Hey listers, >> >> After working on her all winter (repaint, total re-wire, rigging and >> interior spruce ups), I splashed my new-to-me 1976 30mki for the first time >> a couple weeks ago in Brooklyn. This past weekend we sailed from Brooklyn, >> outside and back in through the Manasquan inlet and into the Barnegat Bay. >> It was a great ride. After just a few hours on the boat my dad was already >> wondering how we could race her. He raced sunfish and other tiny boats in >> Mass as a kid. >> >> We know zip zero about racing on a boat this size, but it's something my >> dad and I would love to get into. Does anyone have any suggestions for how >> to get into the sport with this boat in the NYC/NJ area? >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice. >> >> Ryan >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160621/561be000/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 18:34:15 +0000 > From: Kevin Driscoll <kevindrisc...@gmail.com> > To: "C&C List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 30-2 -when to reef?? > Message-ID: > <CA+LFByqgaBmqh8qvxzF9JSuyHtLBRUMqos+=4fstmt_zrml...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Allen to your question: > > Main > > - outhaul > - cunningham > - backstay tensioner (mech) > - fixed baby stay (which I am going to remove to the mast) > - cabin top traveler > - boom vang > - Fisherman's reef > - 1st, 2nd, 3rd reefs > - halyard tenshion > > Head > > - backstay tensioner > - adjustable cars > - Halyard tension > - Roller furler (but we change headsails depending on conditions and > don't partially furl much) > > I'm not a Volvo racer, but I do race weekly on a variety of keel boats > (racing to Hawaii July 12, Pac Cup), and can manage sail shape. Granted my > sails are tired, and the 30-2 is a great boat albeit a bit tender. > > How much crew do you have on the rail when racing? > > Best, > Kevin > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:00 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Port ring comes down and hooks on the stbd horn and vice versa. Don't try >> to imagine the dogbone as coming down and hooking on both horns. You can >> make your own dogbone easy with a piece of amsteel and 2 rings. >> >> Josh Muckley >> S/V Sea Hawk >> 1989 C&C 37+ >> Solomons, MD >> On Jun 21, 2016 1:54 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Ah ha, thanks for the link and picture in it. Dogbone . >>> On Jun 21, 2016 11:49 AM, "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> https://goo.gl/images/SFjSqC >>>> On Jun 21, 2016 12:18 PM, "Lorne Serpa via CnC-List" < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Humm, what's a dog bone? I'll be sailing 90% single. >>>>> On Jun 21, 2016 10:13 AM, "kelly petew via CnC-List" < >>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I, too, carry a 140 genoa, and reef around 12 knots. I like to keep >>>>>> the boat on its "feet". So, 10 to 15 degree heel is good for me. >>>>>> Nervous or not, you'll start to feel weather helm at 10 to 12 knots, >>>>>> and you'll want to reef [the main 1st] to keep up your speed and reduce >>>>>> pressure on the rudder. >>>>>> >>>>>> You are correct that this boat is "tender". I believe there is a >>>>>> chart in the photoalbum archives that documents this as well as the >>>>>> 30-1's >>>>>> stiffness. >>>>>> That said, the boat carries a lot of sail area, and it's fast IMO. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I single-hand a lot and typically start with a reef as a prudent >>>>>> measure. >>>>>> If you don't already have them on your main, I recommend adding >>>>>> "dogbones" to your reef points, to make reefing quick and easy [and >>>>>> reduce >>>>>> the possibility of a rip to your sail; they are cheap]. >>>>>> >>>>>> Give a report on your 1st sail. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pete W. >>>>>> Siren Song >>>>>> '91 C&C 30-2 #170 >>>>>> Deltaville, VA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>> Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:25:31 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>> From: Allan Rheaume <drumroll30m...@yahoo.ca> >>>>>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List 1988 30MkII. When to reef? >>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>> <814944704.1736603.1466504731991.javamail.ya...@mail.yahoo.com> >>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lorne, I carry a 140% headsail on my 30-2. I usually start getting >>>>>> overpowered upwind at around 12 knots true. >>>>>> >>>>>> Al RheaumeDrumroll 30-2 #90 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If >>>>>> you like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>>>>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>>>> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >>>>> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160621/a74aaaa9/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:59:16 -0400 > From: Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line > Message-ID: > <CAEL16P95Et8zgsvLU9TSFEYhH=htovdzffncjs3spgivuvq...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Never heard of removing the core. Sounds stupid! I could see stripping > cover. If the line is as long as the boat, you are probably OK. > > Joel > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Joel, >> >> You could use the mid point as an average, but I also leave 3 or 4 wraps >> of rope around the drum when the jib is fully furled just to have a margin >> of error when the jib is furled too tight or too loose? >> >> And like Fred said, you could also use a calculus to determine the exact >> length you needed. Or measure the line that came off the drum to begin >> with? >> >> As was previously mentioned, some folks will remove the core of the rope >> that sits on the drum to avoid extra bulk. My only concern with that >> approach is when someone uses a winch to furl their jib. Removing the core >> from a double braid rope will reduce tensile strength by nearly 75%. I?m >> more inclined to use a single braided rope such as NER Regatta Braid, >> Novabraid Sprint, or Samson Control DPX which will flatten out when spooled >> on a drum, but will retain 100% of tensile strength. >> >> >> >> Chuck Gilchrest >> >> Half Magic >> >> 1983 LF 35 >> >> Padanaram, MA >> >> >> >> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel >> Aronson via CnC-List >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:06 PM >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Joel Aronson <joel.aron...@gmail.com> >> >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line >> >> >> >> Chuck, >> >> >> >> Why not measure from the mid-point of the drum's circumference? >> >> >> >> Be sure you have enough line to wrap it around a winch and tail it. >> >> >> >> Joel >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Measure the diameter of the drum full of line with the sail out all the >> way. Divide by 2 and multiply by pi (3.1415). That will give you the >> "circumference" or length of rope for one wrap around the drum. Yes it >> will change as the rope unwinds from the drum but for the sake of argument, >> let's use the max circumference as a constant. Measure the distance from >> the drum to the furling line cleat, taking into account any guide blocks or >> rollers that the rope needs to pass through. >> >> Now furl the jib taking care to count the number of turns on the furler >> from fully deployed to fully furled. >> >> >> >> So the length calculation will be: >> >> Circumference of rope on drum times the number of furler turns plus >> distance of drum to cleat plus 7-10' or so extra rope to allow line to be >> handled in different spots of the cockpit. >> >> >> >> Depending on conditions such as wind and jib sheet tension while furling, >> my jib can be furled either really tight or rather loose and sloppy. Tight >> almost always requires extra turns on the furler. >> Chuck Gilchrest >> >> Half Magic >> >> 1983 Landfall 35 >> >> Padanaram MA >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jun 21, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Shouldn't it also change as the drum wrap gets thicker? >> >> Ron >> >> Wild Cheri >> >> C&C 30-1 >> >> STL >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Indigo via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> *Cc:* Indigo <ind...@thethomsons.us> >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 12, 2016 6:48 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line >> >> >> I may be totally wrong, but I don't think there is a direct correlation >> between the length of the foot and length of furling line. The marker the >> diameter of the drum, the longer the circumference and thus the longer the >> line required for one rotation - but the circumference of a roll of sail >> will be potentially very different. >> >> -- >> Jonathan >> Indigo C&C 35III >> SOUTHPORT CT >> >> >>>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 07:01, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> plus the foot length (24') >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Joel >> 301 541 8551 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >> like what we do, please help us pay for our costs by donating. All >> Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > -- > Joel > 301 541 8551 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160621/293795a4/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:06:47 -0400 > From: "Martin Kane" <martink...@sympatico.ca> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List continuous line furlers > Message-ID: <00dc01d1cbf0$0f4d0370$2de70a50$@sympatico.ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have a Selden GX 7.5 on a 29-2 that I use for my assym. > > Pros relative to sock/snuffer are: > 1. can rig at dock > 2. No need to go to foredeck to release or retrieve > 3. Can gybe by furling and the gybing and unfurling, if you want to > 4. Can get sail in quickly if wind picks up > 5. Get more use of assym as a result of the above. > > Cons relative to snuffer are: > Boat bucks > > In summary it was a great upgrade. > > My forestay is set back from the stem and I'm able to attach the furler drum > to the stem and not have it interfere with the genoa furler. Without that > clearance you'd need a sprit which would make the package more complex to > install, take more time to rig and cost more. > > Martin > C&c 29-2 Recalculating > > martink...@sympatico.ca > > 905 848 0925 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Sprouse [mailto:bdspro...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:15 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Stus-List continuous line furlers > > Is anyone using continuous line furlers for jib or asymmetrical spin? > Thoughts pro or con? > > thanks > bill > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:10:31 -0400 > From: "Chuck Gilchrest" <csgilchr...@comcast.net> > To: <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Subject: Re: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki > Message-ID: <00ac01d1cbf0$94a8b910$bdfa2b30$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Ryan, > > Where is the boat being kept? If you?re sailing in Barnegat Bay, Toms River > Yacht Club may have the largest number of PHRF handicap races but I?m not > sure if you need to be a member to compete. Bay Head YC seems to be more > focused on one design racing such as Catboats and Scows. > > > > Further North, Manasquan River YC has several open regattas for PHRF boats, > typically just a mile or so east of Manasquan Inlet. Of course, getting > there from Barnegat Bay isn?t the easiest if you need to negotiate the time > and tides through the Point Pleasant Canal, but it appears you?re familiar > with that. > > > > As others have mentioned, Raritan Bay/ Keyport area is the next stop north > for boat racing, and typically held in the lee of Sandy Hook. > > To find out more information, there?s a North Sails loft in Wall Township on > Rt 34 that would likely be dialed in on the local racing scene in your area. > > > > I spent my summers home from college back in the 1970?s as the boat cop on > the Manasquan River, so I can say with some authority to pick your times > heading in and out of the inlet. It can be very tricky in a northeasterly > blow or with any kind of large sea state and then there?s the matter of > timing your drawbridge transits against the tide and current which runs both > direction in the Manasquan River. Be careful and seek local knowledge from > fellow boaters. > > Enjoy the new boat! > > Chuck Gilchrest > > Half Magic > > 1983 Landfall 35 > > Padanaram, MA > > > > > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle > via CnC-List > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:21 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Ryan Doyle <ryanpdo...@gmail.com> > Subject: Stus-List NY/NJ Racing in a 30mki > > > > Hey listers, > > > > After working on her all winter (repaint, total re-wire, rigging and interior > spruce ups), I splashed my new-to-me 1976 30mki for the first time a couple > weeks ago in Brooklyn. This past weekend we sailed from Brooklyn, outside > and back in through the Manasquan inlet and into the Barnegat Bay. It was a > great ride. After just a few hours on the boat my dad was already wondering > how we could race her. He raced sunfish and other tiny boats in Mass as a > kid. > > > > We know zip zero about racing on a boat this size, but it's something my dad > and I would love to get into. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to > get into the sport with this boat in the NYC/NJ area? > > > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > > > Ryan > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://cnc-list.com/pipermail/cnc-list_cnc-list.com/attachments/20160621/2f0f8575/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > CnC-List mailing list > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > > > ------------------------------ > > End of CnC-List Digest, Vol 125, Issue 130 > ****************************************** _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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