Gary Our Frers 33 currently has Martec RH 16DX14P-3 The 16 inches does not seem to large and it is certainly a smaller boat than the C&C 35-3. Note that we also have the 3GM30F engine with Kanzaki transmission. Flex-o-Fold has sold me a 16 x 12 prop (on its way from Denmark as I type this).
Should Dave be checking Cutlass bearing, the keys where coupler is attached to shaft, etc? Sounds like something is normally in alignment then once out gets reseated by pulling back on the shaft (reverse) and then pushing shaft forward. Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:55 AM To: C&C List Cc: Gary Russell Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding Prop won't open HI Dave, If you can only get 2600 RPM something is wrong. You either have the wrong pitch or there is something wrong with the engine (throttle cable, etc.). If there is black smoke at 2600 RPM it is most likely the pitch. If the pitch is too great, I'm wondering if the prop is cavitating which can cause vibration. Also, a 16" diameter sounds large for a 35 MK III. If the blades swing too close to the hull, that can cause vibration. I seem to recall that if the blade swings closer than 15% (I think) of the diameter from the hull that will cause vibration. I had a 35 MK II and a 14" prop was marginal. Gary S/V Kaylarah '90 C&C 37+ East Greenwich, RI, USA ~~~~~~~_/)~~~~~~ On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Dave via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Kevin, I've struggled with the same issue for three seasons. When I first got the boat it have a Martek 2 blade folding prop. When motoring off the mooring no problem. But after sailing the prop vibrated horribly. Throwing it into reverse and then back into forward usually but not always resolved the issue. At the end of the season I sent the prop to Martek to have it rebuilt. I also had the transmission rebuilt and the cone gear replaced. Put the boat back in the water in the spring and found that the problem was still there. The following winter I replaced the Martek prop with a Flexofold. Lwo and behold the problem is still there. I made sure that the engine was in alignment and had two boat yard mechanics out on the boat. When heading into a 3 knot current there was no vibration but when we went perpendicular to the current the vibration resumed. This happened repeatedly. The mechanics told be that the vibration is typical for a two bladed folding prop. One thing that became apparrent during that test was that the maximum rotation I was able to get up to was 2600 RPM. The boat has the original Yanmar 3GM30 and Kanzaki KM3-A transmission. The gear ratio is not stamped on the transmission but, I've been assured that the gear ratio is 2.61:1 and have no reason to believe it's not. I purchased the prop recommended to me by Flexofold which is 2 blade 16x12R. When I told Flexofold about the issue they insisted that the prop was the correct one and I do know that other 35 MK3s have had success with this same set up. The Flexofold blades are geared to one another. So, it's impossible for one blade to open while the other is not. So, that can not be the problem. So, any ideas beyond what I've already done are greatly appreciated. Dave J Saltaire C&C 35MK3 Bristol, RI ________________________________ From: "John and Maryann Read via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: "John and Maryann Read" <johnpr...@comcast.net<mailto:johnpr...@comcast.net>> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 7:18:44 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List Folding Prop won't open Ditto to Dave’s comment. Our Yanmar 3GM is mounted to a Kanzaki transmission that was slipping. Symptoms were prop did not open symmetrically because was not spinning enough so lots of vibration, when it did fully open the shaft was not spinning at a rate consistent with the throttle. No obvious issues with the prop manually opening when hauled. Pulled transmission, got it rebuilt. Biggest expense was OEM rebuild kit and needed new cone gear as was polished. Reinstalled and problem solved. When reinstalling it is very important to ensure the shift cable is adjusted so the transmission lever is fully engaged before the lever on the binnacle is at the end of its travel – ie there is some remaining movement for the spring fitting that attaches the cable to the transmission lever. In our case that meant attaching to the inner transmission lever hole. Also, an annual maintenance item is to oil the spring fitting. FWIW, here is the info on my rebuilder. He is the person who did all the transmission work for Mack Boring when they were in the business of rebuilding and apparently there are some tricks of the trade to correctly rebuild. Shipping was by parcel post, he was very informative and easy to work with. I had the unit returned to me in 7 days. No affiliation just a happy customer. Rick Neary East Coast Marine Transmission 253 Vineyard Ave South Amboy, NJ 08879 732-991-0694<tel:732-991-0694> John and Maryann Legacy III 1982 C&C 34 Noank, CT From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com>] On Behalf Of Dave S via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 11:02 AM To: C&c Stus List Cc: Dave S Subject: Stus-List Folding Prop won't open Make sure it's the prop. I threw a ton of money at similar symptoms before learning that the transmission was slipping. (bang bang bang in forward only, and intermittently, though progressively less so.) Pulled the gearbox and did the repair myself in an evening for less than $100 after replacing a lot of stuff. Dave. Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2016 11:43:15 +0000 From: Kevin Paxton <kpax...@paxdesigns.com<mailto:kpax...@paxdesigns.com>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com<mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Subject: Stus-List Folding Prop won't open Message-ID: <caokrqryaxxaxcfer76uuybknzaogfkfydz-tktommg+pcys...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:caokrqryaxxaxcfer76uuybknzaogfkfydz-tktommg%2bpcys...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey guys, with all of the discussion on props it reminded me that I'm having an issue with my 2 blade folding prop. Pretty sure it's the Martec that you all are mentioning. I continue to have issues with one blade not opening after we've been out sailing. Once we drop the sails and go to engage the engine and prop it fails to open one side and I get severe vibrations. Is this a normal thing with these props? It truly makes me want to just get a fixed prop. Unfortunately that's not in the budget right now though. So far I've tried: - to come to a complete stop and try again - Kick it into reverse and then back to forward - short kick to full throttle. The last time we were out nothing worked. We ended up limping along back to our slip. Afterwards I checked it by rotating it from the inside and it sounded like both blades would open when it was facing down because I heard the clunk. Occasionally it will open but it's not a first time thing. On departure from the slip I don't have any issues, it's only when trying to reengage the motor after a sail. It's really frustrating, any ideas? Kevin Paxton '82 34 #473 Japhys Spirit Cornfield Creek, Magothy River, MD _______________________________________________ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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