With all this discussion of boats for sale I would like to let the list know that my 27-V 1986 is for sale on Long Island NY. Very nice boat. You can see listing at http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/61767 I am looking to move up to a larger boat 35+ to 41 feet so if anyone has one for sale let me know. Jerry J&J
Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Phygital via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > > By the way... I dealt with bridge yachts in the last few weeks on my last > search. > > Survey Failed (according to what I'm looking for), but I had a decent > experience. There's always the feeling of "did they know more"... some > experienced buyers see a problem (especially if structural), as a big > negotiation point. Brokers don't know off hand what the buyer is willing to > accept. It's an it of a crap shoot for them as well. > > Owner got a quote from boatyard and asked the broker to see if we would still > be interested if repairs were done or deduct the amount from agreed price if > I chose to do it myself or another boat yard. > > We declined, in part thinking resale, but mostly it was the thought of "is it > safe" that would always be in the admirals mind (you know who I mean)... > > I slept well that night :). > > You gotta feel good about your boat. A good friend and lister (Christian), > told me... when you buy the boat "It's Yours"... whatever you discover > afterwards "it's yours". Hard, but really great advice. > > Nothing negative to say about BY. I'm still in touch and they now know I'm a > serious buyer and exactly what I want and questions I will ask. They are > prepared. > > The hunt is still on. > > > /J > >> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >> wrote: >> >> If you want to know how many times I have run aground, you would be in for a >> long conversation LOL. I think I am at 2 or so in the last week – marina >> needs to dredge again. >> Seriously though, VERY good advice. I have had brokers email me a survey >> that was pretty harsh. That was putting honesty over $$ and good on them. >> Also note for C&Cs, we have a rather unique resource. I make no claim to be >> a surveyor, but I could find C&C 35 MK I issues in 10 minutes 95% of >> surveyors would never catch. A long term owner of your proposed purchase >> could do a once-over and save a lot of time and money. >> Joe >> Coquina >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Phygital >> via CnC-List >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 09:54 >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Phygital <phygi...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bridge Yacht Experience >> >> Have been looking for a boat for just over a year now. Have traveled far and >> wide and dealt with numerous brokers. >> >> I've learned the following during my journey; >> >> - if the broker is represents both seller and buyer, either get another >> broker to represent you or establish in writing that the broker agrees to >> represent you as much as the seller. In some provinces or states this is >> mandated. >> >> - some brokers seemingly have little historical knowledge of the vessel. >> I've learned the burden is up to me to ask as many questions as possible >> including grounding, propeller shaft, etc. I even ask for receipts for work >> done as verification it was professionally done. Of course extent matters on >> the size of the job. >> >> - some brokers only answer the questions you ask, and offer nothing more, >> and it can be like pulling teeth. They won't readily forward the survey >> unless you ask for it. >> >> - some brokers are really great in that they get to know the boat, will >> sound the hull, take readings, etc. they do this as part of establishing the >> price. Immediately forward a survey if they have it. >> >> - some brokers allow for communication with the owners. This is rare. I get >> concerned, but then I really start to collect information and ask a million >> questions on every system on the boat. A decent boat owner keeps bills. >> >> - it comes down to liability, and burden of proof. Most don't get a sea >> trial, or have the engine surveyed. If it's on the hard ask to have a >> portion of the money held back for a sea trial and engine survey, or other >> areas you could not survey at the time (e.g. Mast alof) and only after >> transport. >> >> - I ask when the pictures were taken, and ask for them sent to me in google >> drive so that I can first hand verify the date and time using the file meta >> data. I like to visit boats on rainy days. >> >> - one surveyor told me... when a survey fails you sleep at night and the >> seller is awake. When a survey fails, or a discovery is made during a visit, >> the broker is obligated to inform the next potential purchaser of any >> defects found during the last survey. So it's important to ask and document >> and send and receive confirmation. >> >> - if you cannot be there in person, try and break up your survey whereby he >> calls you at the different stages (hull, deck, mast, electrical, engine, >> etc). You can stop the survey and pay him for his time. No sense going thru >> an entire survey if you would not purchase a boat due to delamination >> beneath the waterline and a project such as that is not within your means, >> or you wouldn't feel safe. You gotta like your boat. >> >> - remember there is a good chance you will sell your boat, so you might be >> in the same position as a seller and broker one day. It's one thing to >> disclose "new shaft" (Id say great), than repairs below waterline. Think >> resale. Unless this is your forever boat :). >> >> - unless there is more I'd say you're ok... congratulations and enjoy your >> boat. Focus on great experiences to come. >> >> /John >> >> On Nov 23, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >> wrote: >> >> Another question: >> At what point was the boat owned by you? >> If I sold you my boat here and then the shipping firm bent the prop on the >> way to there, I would feel bad about it but suggest the shipping firm be the >> ones to fix it. After all, the boat was fine when it left my slip. >> If the shaft was pre-bent, someone dropped the ball somewhere regarding sea >> trials and surveys. I am also VERY wary of brokers in general after looking >> at a Landfall 38 described as being in good shape by the broker. The boat >> had a leaking fuel tank, cracked ports, cracks in the fiberglass around the >> ports, deck leaks, mold, fungus, and in general looked like it was worth the >> salvage value of the lead. The broker admitted he didn’t like climbing so >> had never gone down the hill to the dock and actually looked at the boat! >> Joe >> Coquina >> C&C 35 MK I >> >> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck >> Gilchrest via CnC-List >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 07:03 >> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> >> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bridge Yacht Experience >> >> Robin, >> Sorry that your purchase resulted in a contentious relationship with your >> broker. First off, was this a buyer or sellers agent? If you secured them >> to find you a boat and post survey discovered something as serious as a bent >> prop shaft, I would put several issues up for question: >> 1. Was the boat in the water or on the hard at purchase? >> 2. Did you accept the results of the survey without a sea trial? >> 3. If the boat was in the hard, was the engine run at the survey, both in >> and out of gear? >> >> If the boat was accepted for purchase with a "no" answer, the surveyor >> didn't do their job and while most surveys will include numerous disclaimers >> regarding liabilities, you and your broker should have caught this >> oversight. Did your broker recommend the surveyor? >> While this broker truly is not responsible for making the boat free of >> defects, having sufficed knowledge of the boat to be aware of major problems >> is part of their job especially if they are the listing agent. >> At the end of the day, if you accepted and bought a boat that was sold "as >> is, where is" and the boat had no warranty, it is hard to put blame on the >> broker. I would make a point of thoroughly reviewing the survey and if >> there was no mention of the prop shaft issue and you didn't require a sea >> trial, the surveyor and broker should have made the purchase price >> contingent on the boat being seaworthy. If you paid a lower than asking >> price for the boat, the price may have been contingent in the boat needing >> work. >> Often anything discovered at survey can be negotiated out of the asking >> price or you can walk away from the deal. This assumes that the survey was >> thorough, which does not appear to be the case here. >> Like most things in life, you get what you negotiate. If you agreed to the >> broker and sellers conditions up front and did little to protect your >> investment, then you bear the burden of any shortcomings of the deal. >> >> One exception, if the shaft was damaged in transport by a company hired by >> the broker to move your boat to Montreal, it may be something covered by the >> company that hauled or transported the boat if that is when the damage >> occurred. >> Chuck Gilchrest >> Half Magic >> 1983 35 Landfall >> Padanaram MA >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 22, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >> Wow! I'm dismayed to hear you had such a terrible experience. I just reached >> a verbal agreement with them on a C & C pending a survey and I am awaiting >> the contract. >> >> So far so good, but this is concerning. >> >> Graham Young >> Cleveland, O. >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Robin Drew via CnC-List >> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> Bridge Yachts of Port Dover, ON is a terrible boat brokerage firm. I would >> never recommend them to anyone, and they should not be in the boat brokerage >> business after what I just went through. In fact, they should not be in any >> business. >> >> >> I purchased a C&C 33 mark 2 from them earlier this year and everything that >> you could think of going wrong went wrong. Upon receiving the boat from them >> last May, I immediately discovered that the boat had a bent propeller shaft. >> I then had to spend over $2,000 to make the boat seaworthy. >> >> >> Upon communicating with Bridge Yachts who had prepared the boat for >> transportation, I was told that they were not responsible for the condition >> of my boat upon delivery. They told me that it was “my problem to fix the >> bent propeller shaft” and that I “either sue the marine survey who did not >> detect the problem” or “pursue the boat owner” (whom they were representing) >> for selling me a damaged vessel. >> >> >> They happily took their broker fee for the sale of the boat (a healthy >> amount, might I add), and they charged me double of what they quoted me >> verbally for preparation of the boat. >> >> >> I tried to reason with them and get them to drop the preparation charges >> after giving me such a horrible experience. However, after 5 months of >> avoiding legal action, they now seem bent on extracting this money from me >> by legal means yet still maintaining their position of no responsibility for >> selling me damaged goods. >> >> >> Their lack of accountability is disgraceful and they seem to be completely >> unreasonable when dealing with their customers. >> >> Robin Drew, >> Montreal >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish >> to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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