Persuasion is not listed yet but in anyone is interested they can contacted me off list. Latest survey spring of 2014. Cruiser not a racer. Well I've never raced in the 10 years I've owned her.
Seriously one of these days I'll have to make a list of all the upgrades and maintenance I've done. Mike PERSUASION www.persuasion37.com C&C 37 K/CB Long Sault > On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Jerome Tauber via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > With all this discussion of boats for sale I would like to let the list know > that my 27-V 1986 is for sale on Long Island NY. Very nice boat. You can > see listing at http://m.sailboatlistings.com/view/61767 > I am looking to move up to a larger boat 35+ to 41 feet so if anyone has one > for sale let me know. Jerry J&J > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Phygital via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >> wrote: >> >> By the way... I dealt with bridge yachts in the last few weeks on my last >> search. >> >> Survey Failed (according to what I'm looking for), but I had a decent >> experience. There's always the feeling of "did they know more"... some >> experienced buyers see a problem (especially if structural), as a big >> negotiation point. Brokers don't know off hand what the buyer is willing to >> accept. It's an it of a crap shoot for them as well. >> >> Owner got a quote from boatyard and asked the broker to see if we would >> still be interested if repairs were done or deduct the amount from agreed >> price if I chose to do it myself or another boat yard. >> >> We declined, in part thinking resale, but mostly it was the thought of "is >> it safe" that would always be in the admirals mind (you know who I mean)... >> >> I slept well that night :). >> >> You gotta feel good about your boat. A good friend and lister (Christian), >> told me... when you buy the boat "It's Yours"... whatever you discover >> afterwards "it's yours". Hard, but really great advice. >> >> Nothing negative to say about BY. I'm still in touch and they now know I'm a >> serious buyer and exactly what I want and questions I will ask. They are >> prepared. >> >> The hunt is still on. >> >> >> /J >> >>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >>> wrote: >>> >>> If you want to know how many times I have run aground, you would be in for >>> a long conversation LOL. I think I am at 2 or so in the last week – marina >>> needs to dredge again. >>> Seriously though, VERY good advice. I have had brokers email me a survey >>> that was pretty harsh. That was putting honesty over $$ and good on them. >>> Also note for C&Cs, we have a rather unique resource. I make no claim to be >>> a surveyor, but I could find C&C 35 MK I issues in 10 minutes 95% of >>> surveyors would never catch. A long term owner of your proposed purchase >>> could do a once-over and save a lot of time and money. >>> Joe >>> Coquina >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Phygital >>> via CnC-List >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 09:54 >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: Phygital <phygi...@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bridge Yacht Experience >>> >>> Have been looking for a boat for just over a year now. Have traveled far >>> and wide and dealt with numerous brokers. >>> >>> I've learned the following during my journey; >>> >>> - if the broker is represents both seller and buyer, either get another >>> broker to represent you or establish in writing that the broker agrees to >>> represent you as much as the seller. In some provinces or states this is >>> mandated. >>> >>> - some brokers seemingly have little historical knowledge of the vessel. >>> I've learned the burden is up to me to ask as many questions as possible >>> including grounding, propeller shaft, etc. I even ask for receipts for work >>> done as verification it was professionally done. Of course extent matters >>> on the size of the job. >>> >>> - some brokers only answer the questions you ask, and offer nothing more, >>> and it can be like pulling teeth. They won't readily forward the survey >>> unless you ask for it. >>> >>> - some brokers are really great in that they get to know the boat, will >>> sound the hull, take readings, etc. they do this as part of establishing >>> the price. Immediately forward a survey if they have it. >>> >>> - some brokers allow for communication with the owners. This is rare. I get >>> concerned, but then I really start to collect information and ask a million >>> questions on every system on the boat. A decent boat owner keeps bills. >>> >>> - it comes down to liability, and burden of proof. Most don't get a sea >>> trial, or have the engine surveyed. If it's on the hard ask to have a >>> portion of the money held back for a sea trial and engine survey, or other >>> areas you could not survey at the time (e.g. Mast alof) and only after >>> transport. >>> >>> - I ask when the pictures were taken, and ask for them sent to me in google >>> drive so that I can first hand verify the date and time using the file meta >>> data. I like to visit boats on rainy days. >>> >>> - one surveyor told me... when a survey fails you sleep at night and the >>> seller is awake. When a survey fails, or a discovery is made during a >>> visit, the broker is obligated to inform the next potential purchaser of >>> any defects found during the last survey. So it's important to ask and >>> document and send and receive confirmation. >>> >>> - if you cannot be there in person, try and break up your survey whereby he >>> calls you at the different stages (hull, deck, mast, electrical, engine, >>> etc). You can stop the survey and pay him for his time. No sense going thru >>> an entire survey if you would not purchase a boat due to delamination >>> beneath the waterline and a project such as that is not within your means, >>> or you wouldn't feel safe. You gotta like your boat. >>> >>> - remember there is a good chance you will sell your boat, so you might be >>> in the same position as a seller and broker one day. It's one thing to >>> disclose "new shaft" (Id say great), than repairs below waterline. Think >>> resale. Unless this is your forever boat :). >>> >>> - unless there is more I'd say you're ok... congratulations and enjoy your >>> boat. Focus on great experiences to come. >>> >>> /John >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 9:20 AM, Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Another question: >>> At what point was the boat owned by you? >>> If I sold you my boat here and then the shipping firm bent the prop on the >>> way to there, I would feel bad about it but suggest the shipping firm be >>> the ones to fix it. After all, the boat was fine when it left my slip. >>> If the shaft was pre-bent, someone dropped the ball somewhere regarding sea >>> trials and surveys. I am also VERY wary of brokers in general after looking >>> at a Landfall 38 described as being in good shape by the broker. The boat >>> had a leaking fuel tank, cracked ports, cracks in the fiberglass around the >>> ports, deck leaks, mold, fungus, and in general looked like it was worth >>> the salvage value of the lead. The broker admitted he didn’t like climbing >>> so had never gone down the hill to the dock and actually looked at the boat! >>> Joe >>> Coquina >>> C&C 35 MK I >>> >>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chuck >>> Gilchrest via CnC-List >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 07:03 >>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com >>> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest <csgilchr...@comcast.net> >>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Bridge Yacht Experience >>> >>> Robin, >>> Sorry that your purchase resulted in a contentious relationship with your >>> broker. First off, was this a buyer or sellers agent? If you secured them >>> to find you a boat and post survey discovered something as serious as a >>> bent prop shaft, I would put several issues up for question: >>> 1. Was the boat in the water or on the hard at purchase? >>> 2. Did you accept the results of the survey without a sea trial? >>> 3. If the boat was in the hard, was the engine run at the survey, both in >>> and out of gear? >>> >>> If the boat was accepted for purchase with a "no" answer, the surveyor >>> didn't do their job and while most surveys will include numerous >>> disclaimers regarding liabilities, you and your broker should have caught >>> this oversight. Did your broker recommend the surveyor? >>> While this broker truly is not responsible for making the boat free of >>> defects, having sufficed knowledge of the boat to be aware of major >>> problems is part of their job especially if they are the listing agent. >>> At the end of the day, if you accepted and bought a boat that was sold "as >>> is, where is" and the boat had no warranty, it is hard to put blame on the >>> broker. I would make a point of thoroughly reviewing the survey and if >>> there was no mention of the prop shaft issue and you didn't require a sea >>> trial, the surveyor and broker should have made the purchase price >>> contingent on the boat being seaworthy. If you paid a lower than asking >>> price for the boat, the price may have been contingent in the boat needing >>> work. >>> Often anything discovered at survey can be negotiated out of the asking >>> price or you can walk away from the deal. This assumes that the survey was >>> thorough, which does not appear to be the case here. >>> Like most things in life, you get what you negotiate. If you agreed to the >>> broker and sellers conditions up front and did little to protect your >>> investment, then you bear the burden of any shortcomings of the deal. >>> >>> One exception, if the shaft was damaged in transport by a company hired by >>> the broker to move your boat to Montreal, it may be something covered by >>> the company that hauled or transported the boat if that is when the damage >>> occurred. >>> Chuck Gilchrest >>> Half Magic >>> 1983 35 Landfall >>> Padanaram MA >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Graham Young via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>> Wow! I'm dismayed to hear you had such a terrible experience. I just >>> reached a verbal agreement with them on a C & C pending a survey and I am >>> awaiting the contract. >>> >>> So far so good, but this is concerning. >>> >>> Graham Young >>> Cleveland, O. >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 10:13 PM, Robin Drew via CnC-List >>> <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> Bridge Yachts of Port Dover, ON is a terrible boat brokerage firm. I would >>> never recommend them to anyone, and they should not be in the boat >>> brokerage business after what I just went through. In fact, they should not >>> be in any business. >>> >>> >>> I purchased a C&C 33 mark 2 from them earlier this year and everything that >>> you could think of going wrong went wrong. Upon receiving the boat from >>> them last May, I immediately discovered that the boat had a bent propeller >>> shaft. I then had to spend over $2,000 to make the boat seaworthy. >>> >>> >>> Upon communicating with Bridge Yachts who had prepared the boat for >>> transportation, I was told that they were not responsible for the condition >>> of my boat upon delivery. They told me that it was “my problem to fix the >>> bent propeller shaft” and that I “either sue the marine survey who did not >>> detect the problem” or “pursue the boat owner” (whom they were >>> representing) for selling me a damaged vessel. >>> >>> >>> They happily took their broker fee for the sale of the boat (a healthy >>> amount, might I add), and they charged me double of what they quoted me >>> verbally for preparation of the boat. >>> >>> >>> I tried to reason with them and get them to drop the preparation charges >>> after giving me such a horrible experience. However, after 5 months of >>> avoiding legal action, they now seem bent on extracting this money from me >>> by legal means yet still maintaining their position of no responsibility >>> for selling me damaged goods. >>> >>> >>> Their lack of accountability is disgraceful and they seem to be completely >>> unreasonable when dealing with their customers. >>> >>> Robin Drew, >>> Montreal >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you >>> wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: >>> https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >>> All Contributions are greatly appreciated! >> _______________________________________________ >> >> This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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