Turns out, in my view, the success of spinnaker set, gybe and take down is controlled at the helm. When the boat is correctly driven through the maneuver the job on the foredeck is much more manageable. Please don't tell my wife the skipper. Dave. K SLY 1975 C&C 33
Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:33 AM, Michael Brown via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > On Windburn we do end-for-end due to carrying an oversized pole. > The J is 13.5' and the the pole is 14.4'. We normally do not have guys. > > If there is difficulty keeping the chute stable and helping out foredeck > by steering the chute try centering the main for a moment just as they > are about to snap in the mast end. > > Further to what Dennis is advising I find that losing the sail area of the > spinnaker due to it not drawing well is slower than losing the sail area > of the main for 5 - 10 seconds during the gybe. Note that the symmetrical > spinnaker is 850 sq ft vs 225 sq ft for the main on Windburn. > > In very light winds when gybing from a hot angle centering the main > also helps to keep the spinnaker from collapsing and wrapping the > forestay. > > Michael Brown > Windburn > C&C 30-1 > > From: "Dennis C." <capt...@gmail.com> > > Charlie, > > While many consider 35-36 feet the upper limit for end for end gybes, we > use end for end with an aluminum pole on Touche' (35-1). With the right > technique, you shouldn't have issues. > > I've been doing foredeck since the mid 90's. I think the key to a good, > and safe, end for end gybe is the driver and the way the driver and crew > think about the gybe. > > Many sailors think a chute gybe is moving the chute across the boat. I > don't subscribe to that philosophy. > > A better way to think about gybing is you're moving the BOAT under the > chute. Doesn't sound like much of a difference but it really is. The idea > is to keep the chute flying and drawing while the driver gradually steers > the boat to the new course. If the chute continues to fly effectively, > connecting the pole to the new sheet and then the mast will be nearly > effortless. > > Sit down with your crew and talk about gybing with this philosophy. It may > be the difference you need. > > Dennis C. > Touche' 35-1 #83 > Mandeville, LA > > On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > We use a carbon fiber pole on Water Phantom, C&C 36 XL/kcb, for our > > kite(s) and have 'oscillated' back and forth between doing dip-pole jibes > > or end-for-end. The pole is a relatively light Forte carbon fiber pole with > > snap-in fitting on both ends. > > > > We always use lazy sheets and guys. > > > > As the driver, I don't have strong feelings about which method we use or > > should use. > > > > However, especially in breezes above 8 knots, it looks to me like our > > jibes are taking too much time when we end for end the pole. Of course I > > share some of the blame if I can't keep the boat headed downwind during the > > jibe but even when I seem to manage keeping her downwind, the mast man > > struggles to get the pole into the fitting and made--taking valuable time > > and giving a lot of downwind separation to our competitors. Of course, it > > also puts him at risk for the pole smashing him about the head and > > shoulders if the pressure builds on the kite before he has it made. > > > > I am convinced that my boat can sail to her rating upwind in breezes above > > about 8 knots--less not so much!--but downwind we often waste what seems > > like too much time on jibing. I say this with confidence since when we > > raced non-spin with a whisker pole, until we learned how to set the pole > > downwind, we would beat every boat to the windward mark and have most of > > them pass us on the way downwind. Once we got the mechanics straightened > > out, no one passed us downwind even if a few gained on us. > > > > OTOH, if we dip pole, the bow person often gets the new guy in the pole in > > the incorrect position (with his back to the bow), so there is certainly a > > need for more practice. > > > > My question for the list is what method should we invest practice time in > > so that jibing can be as routine as tacking. It seems that at 36 ft Water > > Phantom and a fiber pole could go either way but I would prefer to always > > use the same method so that we have a chance to get quick at it. > > > > Charlie Nelson > > Water Phantom > > C&C 36 XL/kcb > > > > cenel...@aol.com > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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