The 33-2 seems pretty bendy to me, (though I lack reference points) it is certainly smaller in section than many similar sized boats.
Dave Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2017, at 1:33 PM, <firewa...@reinardy.us> <firewa...@reinardy.us> > wrote: > > Forgive my ignorance on this, but do your boats have a bendy mast? My 30-2 > has a baby stay with a 4:1 purchase, but I can't get much movement out of the > rig with it at all. We use the Cunningham quite a bit, but the baby stay is > collecting dust. > > Jim Reinardy > C&C 30-2 "Firewater" > Milwaukee, WI > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham? > From: "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Date: Fri, May 19, 2017 5:21 am > To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: "Hoyt, Mike" <mike.h...@impgroup.com> > > Josh > > You are correct. Baby stay is designed to help with mast pumping. A side > effect may be that bending mast opens leech somewhat. Since babystay is > usually only used in windy conditions opening the leech is not such a bad > thing. > > On fractionally rigged boats which most C&Cs and our Frers unfortunately are > not backstay is ALL ABOUT main sail and really opens leech. Has much less > effect on forestay tension than on masthead boat. The C&C 115 was fractional > (more or less) and had a really bendy mast. The main was very easily shaped > with all the controls. Going to masthead rig on Frers after years of > trimming main on Niagara 26, J27 and C&C 115 made the main seem awkward and > clunky for quite some time. It is a lot more work to trim it effectively > (IMO) > > Back to our original point. Opening or closing leech is a major tool in > trimming main sail. A tight sheet and vang does close the leech but wind it > is usually bending mast that is a tool used to open leech vs in light wind > > Mike > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:39 PM > To: C&C List > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham? > > Mike I believe you are correct but isn't that simply a side effect? Leech > tension and sail twist should be controlled by the mail sheet and vang. In > fact I think the opening of the leech is experienced more with changes in > backstay tension as a result of changing the position of the masthead. > > Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that your statement is metaphorically > equivalent to saying, "The backstay controls main sheet tension." True the > backstay can affect main sheet tension, but that's not its purpose. > Likewise, bending the mast can open the leech but that's not its purpose and > the components designed to control the leech (vang and mainsheet) are still > available to "close" it. Kind of a does the tail wag the dog situation. > > Josh Muckley > S/V Sea Hawk > 1989 C&C 37+ > Solomons, MD > > > > On May 18, 2017 9:00 AM, "Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List" <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > And bending mast would also open leech > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh > Muckley via CnC-List > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:52 AM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Josh Muckley > Subject: Re: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham? > > Cunningham does flatten the sail but simply due to luff tension. > If a baby stay is able to pull the belly of the mast forward then the luff is > also pulled forward and the resulting shape of the sail is flatter. > Josh > > On Thu, May 18, 2017, 8:18 AM Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: > Doesn't the cunngham assist the halyard in moving draft forward? > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave S via > CnC-List > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:43 PM > To: C&c Stus List > Cc: Dave S > Subject: Stus-List Baby stay vs Cunningham? > > Both depower the main.... Does the adjustable baby stay (mast bend) make the > Cunningham (luff tension) redundant? > I have an adjustable baby stay, is adding a Cunningham a waste of time? > > Thanks , Dave > 33-2 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > _______________________________________________ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. 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