An update for anyone interested. My CS 30 is back in the water with a
new (to me) mast.
The process started quickly with the insurance company getting someone
out to check the damage within 24 hrs of my call (Premier Marine
Insurance). The damage to the mast was pretty small but the surveyor
wanted it repaired with a sleeve or replacement mast before he would
sign off (since I've been told that the mast would have been fine to
sail for years with such a small dent, or force the dent out -- but once
the insurance company involved I no longer had control).
I was getting quotes for having the mast sleeved - but the insurance
company was not very interested as they were concerned the mast would be
weak and require additional repair later. The rigger was unwilling to
offer the significant warranty so the sleeve option was out.
Finally got a quote for a new mast, new rigging etc. >$20000 Cdn once
you take shipping etc into account. Time frame was likely 6-8months.
Insurance cut a check for a portion of the cost (turns out they have a
depreciated value clause in my contract - and as such only cover 50% of
new part costs, but 100% of labour).
While I was waiting for everything to get sorted and for the check to
arrive, the rigger (Brad at Doyle Sails in Dartmouth) found a used mast
locally that had the right spreader spacing, was just slightly larger
than my original mast and was longer (which he could cut down). Much
cheaper and available immediately. (For interest sake I tried to contact
Jeff Pritchard for quotes - he never returned 2 phone calls or an email
--- Brad answered the phone and was at the boat in 2 days trying to
figure out a solution).
Mast was cut to length, re-rigged with new shrouds with old furler,
gooseneck was transferred, new wiring and new mast light, lines
transferred, mast base in the boat was changed over. Yard stepped the
mast and launched Friday last week.
Used mast has a lot of extra holes and requires some revisions for the
running rigging as I no longer have exit sheeves right at the base of
the mast - but happy with the resolution. Costs were much lower than
new replacement quote so I was able to cover all the new rigging etc.
Mark
CS 30 - Prosecco
(despite my non-C&C boat I learn a lot from mostly lurking on this list
and appreciate all the knowledge I'm getting without having to learn all
of it through my own mistakes!)
On 2018-06-14 4:55 PM, M Bodnar wrote:
According to the surveyor aluminum does not have a "memory" like steel
- so it won't "pop" back to correct shape if you try to bang the dent
out. I'm have thought the dent could be pounded out somehow - but
doesn't seem like the experts are recommending that.
No tears in the aluminum or damage that makes it un usable - but I
think the concern is that the dent creates a weak point where the mast
could buckle.
I'm hoping that welding a repair over the dent will be an efficient
option as a new mast also means I'm likely not sailing all summer.
I've just done a bunch of work on the hull - had keel dropped to
re-bed, fiberglass repairs etc - it would suck to walk away and start
over. But there is a pretty looking C&C 32 avail locally....
Waiting for more information
On 2018-06-13 7:33 PM, Chuck S wrote:
Wow,
I'm so sorry to hear that. Must be worse than I imagined. Is the
dent close to halyard exits and other holes. Did the aluminum skin
tear?
I'm not making light of your problem. I appreciate it's a big deal
and I'm just thinking what I would do. Know any good auto body
guys? They use hydraulic wedges to push out dents. Maybe they can
pull out the dent and reshape it. It's aluminum and fixing has got
to be less cost than a new mast. If you're looking at replacing it,
you've got nothing to lose in trying to pound it out yourself. I
think I'd watch a bunch of YouTube videos first. Then get a sand bag
and lay the mast so the dent is resting on the sand bag as a backer
and drill a hole opposite the dent so you can insert a steel punch
with a gently rounded head. Or you might slide a length of steel
pipe up inside and pound onto that to reduce the dent but not go
beyond the outer wall. Once you get it close, fill and fair w West
System and 410 filler and paint it.
Another option: Maybe it's best to cash in and start over. I've been
thinking of selling my boat, but I'll probably have to donate it to
get any money.
Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
On June 13, 2018 at 5:12 PM M Bodnar <drbod...@bedfordchiro.ca> wrote:
All I can say is the boat yard has basically said they won't put the
mast in with that damage and the surveyor for the insurance is
recommending it be repaired. Area might be a bit larger than I
described - I didn't measure it -- say 3" by 4" total with a couple
portions dented in that space
I need a new insurance survey this year - and it's clear that the
surveyor would not sign off on the mast as is.
On 2018-06-12 9:45 PM, Chuck S wrote:
The dent seems awfully small to me and sounds cosmetic.
I doubt a dent with a depth of 3mm counts for much. That's about an
1/8". The mast wall is probably that thick. And the size of 5cm (2")
by 3cm (1 3/16") seems very superficial. Several feet above the
gooseneck. If there aren't too many halyard exits nearby, I'd sail
with it as-is or fill and fair it using West System. Another option:
drill a 1/2" hole in the opposite side of the mast and get a nice
strong steel punch, grind the tip into a nice rounded blunt end and
peen out the dent from inside. Fill and fair.
Then finish off with a BoatUS sticker. Go sailing.
FWIW, I once bought a brand new Cape Dory 22 in 1981 and it was
delivered to the dealer with a dented mast. The dent was three times
what you described. Demand for the model was high and I was told I
could wait six weeks for the next one, but I went ahead and signed
papers and took delivery the next week. We had a blast with that boat
for five years and drove her hard, sometimes underwater offshore, (she
was only 22 feet long) and never ever had a worry about the mast. We
saw that dent just above the jib halyard winch every time we raised
the headsail, but never questioned the integrity of the rig. I sold
the boat and the new owner drove her even harder off the coast of
Maine and loved her and wrote me a nice thankyou letter never once
asked about the dent that was as big as your hand.
On June 12, 2018 at 2:30 PM M Bodnar via CnC-List
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
Discovered over the weekend that my mast blew off the rack at the
boat
yard over the winter. Landed on a lower level rack and dented the
side
of my mast - several feet above the gooseneck. Dent is maybe 5cm long
and 3cm wide - max depth of about 3mm.
Met with insurance surveyor today - he is suggesting a few options -
weld aluminum to the side of the mast, cut mast and install a sleeve,
find a used CS 30 mast or similar and replace or replace with a new
mast. Apparently the sleeve option would cause a stiff spot in the
mast
and make it harder to trim well for racing (which I don't do - but
don't
want to devalue the boat in the repair). Not sure about the weld
option. No immediately available used CS 30 masts locally.
Insurance has a set upper limit of $22500 on the boat - so write
off is
a possibility if they can't repair or find a used option.
Anyone have any experience? Advice? Know of any random CS 30 masts
lying
around???
Mark
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