Glassing over just seals the joint and helps keep any flex cracks from occurring.
Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 6:04 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > So are you saying there was a void in the keel stub on the hull? Sounds > like filling it was a good idea. So the idea of glassing over the joint is > to reduce slight movement which may be gradually loosening the keel nuts? > > On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 2:02 PM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> When the smile first appeared on my boat, the keel bolts were so loose >> that I could move the keel from side to side. In order to drop the keel, we >> had to remove the mast (The forward keel bolt is under the mast). Once we >> dropped the keel, we hosed out the bolt holes. There was a terrible smell >> coming from the forward hole. There was a void there that had to be filled. >> The yard ground the stub and the top of the keel, and epoxied the two of >> them together. It took about a gallon of epoxy to fill the void. Then a >> couple of layers of fiberglass were glassed over the smile, and it has >> never appeared again. Also, I haven't had to re-tighten the keel bolts. >> >> Alan Bergen >> 35 Mk III Thirsty >> Rose City YC >> Portland, OR >> >> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 1:47 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> The C&C smile is usually a non-issue. It is nearly always resolved by >>> torquing the keel bolts and cosmetically repairing the hull/keel crack. >>> See: >>> >>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/doityourself/smile/index.htm >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cncphotoalbum.com_doityourself_smile_index.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=r19-Ug1nKqOgD02UkVvV5cMq-VD-yOqZzz_ZVsyRJXc&s=eT6Lw7NSsBvjGXrbwE2rHsLwyMQ557kEyoHIuMZIc-Y&e=> >>> >>> That's a typical C&C smile. It was fixed by torquing the bolts, digging >>> out some crumbly stuff at the crack and epoxying a couple overlapping >>> layers of glass over the crack. The repair shown was done in 1999. It has >>> not reappeared. Here's the same boat in 2018. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UzpgYV6IlfmY6YeK2k3-pcE0ZACotjpJ >>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__drive.google.com_open-3Fid-3D1UzpgYV6IlfmY6YeK2k3-2DpcE0ZACotjpJ&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=r19-Ug1nKqOgD02UkVvV5cMq-VD-yOqZzz_ZVsyRJXc&s=HsX43j88YEh9_la6FvzCd3mOcQDUKKfvMB6NlISRj_8&e=> >>> >>> Torquing the bolts is much easier than finding the tools to do it. Most >>> use a torque multiplier. You may be able to rent what you need. >>> >>> The bolts must be individually backed off and then torqued. Doesn't >>> much matter if the boat is in or out of the water. >>> >>> The biggest issue with older C&C's is if the washers/plates under the >>> keel bolts have not been replaced with stainless plates. If they are plain >>> steel, they should be replaced with stainless. >>> >>> For most older C&C's the smile is a greatly overblown issue. >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 >>> Mandeville, LA >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 3:05 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, so perhaps a better question to ask - what is the recommended >>>> maintenance (annual re-torque? I see a torque spec listed on the >>>> CNCphotoalbum page but no other details), and if the C&C smile is found, >>>> does the keel need to be dropped to fix it? This boat will be pushing our >>>> budget a bit, so I want to ensure we're not going to incur a bunch of costs >>>> right away. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 11:59 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List < >>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There is a way to add keel bolts with the keel in place, but C&Cs are >>>>> not known for losing keels in the first place! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> Coquina >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 5, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List < >>>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> After another 4 months of boat searching, I am once again considering >>>>> the 35-2 "Callisto" which began this old thread from January. I have been >>>>> thinking about it, and when I saw it at the dock while looking at another >>>>> boat (Crown 28, yes I am getting desperate...), I realized I had forgotten >>>>> how nice looking the boat is. It still has a for sale sign, and I am >>>>> waiting to hear back from the owner. I think at 34K he was asking far too >>>>> much, but at 20K I could overlook some of the not quite up to my standards >>>>> work done on it. I will get a survey for sure if he gets back to me, and >>>>> we >>>>> can agree on a price. >>>>> >>>>> Since looking at this boat, I started getting interested in Ericsons, >>>>> and really liked the idea of the encapsulated keels on their 70s models. >>>>> We >>>>> almost bought a 29. But I am realizing that my fear of keel bolts is >>>>> probably unwarranted, and even Ericson went with bolt on keels by the 80s, >>>>> and none of them fell off. I hear people talk about replacing keel bolts, >>>>> but I assume they mean just the nuts, which doesn't seem to make a lot of >>>>> sense, since the crevice corrosion is likely to a problem with the >>>>> bolt/stud. Are the bolts J bolts like concrete anchors, or just threaded >>>>> rod set into lead? I imagine replacing a J bolt would be a huge job. Is >>>>> replacing them ever actually done? Could you just drill, tap, and thread >>>>> in >>>>> new stainless rod in between the original bolts for extra safety? Or am I >>>>> worrying too much about a mostly non-issue? It's just that most bolt on >>>>> keel boats I've looked at have water in the bilge meaning the bolts/nuts >>>>> will stay wet most of the time (probably mainly rainwater/condensation I >>>>> guess), so it seems like I should be concerned. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's interesting also that after a lot of discussion with the Ericson >>>>> guys (also a great group of owners, like this group), one of the features >>>>> of the newer Ericson designs which improves comfort is the flared bow (the >>>>> 80s models), something which the C&C 35-2 also has. Walking up to this >>>>> 35-2 >>>>> a few days ago just reminded me why I was so attracted to it originally. >>>>> Yes, there are a few things I would do differently, but it's basically >>>>> ready to sail, as is. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. >>>>> Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the >>>>> list >>>>> - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>>>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.paypal.me_stumurray&d=DwMFaQ&c=clK7kQUTWtAVEOVIgvi0NU5BOUHhpN0H8p7CSfnc_gI&r=9w3G7Cf8YfQnrjmtuNxwDJYr3JMv9f1pAfgAJ9xXYQQ&m=r19-Ug1nKqOgD02UkVvV5cMq-VD-yOqZzz_ZVsyRJXc&s=-IdVxXChKEJiY98mwqNQX4ck_yn9d0uzvUyZChnxWeE&e=> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. >>>>> Each and every one is greatly appreciated. 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