On my 34, I installed a Blue Sea System House/Engine/Combine switch, but left the 1/2/All switch in place to control the house bank. I also had combiners for charging. I plan to do the same on the 42, but haven’t gotten around to it.
From: CnC-List <cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> On Behalf Of Edd Schillay via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:23 PM To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Batteries etc. Charlie, I guess I’m a little confused as to your switch. In most cases it’s either a "1/2/All" or a "House/Engine/Combine” type. Basically, you’re going to want to have a House/Engine/Combine switch to effectively isolate and use the system. Something like this: https://www.bluesea.com/products/8280/Traditional_Metal_Dual_Bank_Battery_Management_Panel I don’t believe you can use a 1/2/All switch as you can only engage one bank at a time or combine. The idea is to engage both banks when needed and shut off one or the other when not. All the boat’s systems are on the House switch. All of the engine starting is on the Engine Switch. If I’m just on the boat hanging out or at anchor, just the House switch is on. If I want to start the engine, I’ll also then engage the Engine switch. The idea is that if you are anchor and slowly draining your house bank, you can still start your engine. And, with the ACR, when charging is coming in, it charges both. The only time I use the combine is if, somehow, the engine won’t turn over because of a depleted engine battery bank. The combine (or “Emergency Parallel”) enables to use house power to add extra juice to your starter. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Captain of the Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> On Jun 24, 2020, at 1:11 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: Thanks a bunch Edd-- One further question(I am new to this switch/ACR system!): I have been keeping the battery switch set to the ON position always, motoring, at the dock with charger plugged in, etc. as I rarely anchor out without access to power. I understand that my system is wired so that the ON position is dedicated to the start battery(it was installed by a very competent boat electrician, not by me!). I probably need to trace the wiring to confirm this. Anyhow, In the event that I do anchor out, should I set the battery switch from ON to COMBINE BATTERIES? In my former boat world, I would just use the rotary switch and move from battery #1 (start) to #2 (house)--thereby isolating the start battery from use. With my present system, I am unsure of what to do with the batteries when I anchor. My assumption is that if I leave the switch at the ON position, the start battery is being drawn down while the house batteries are not supplying anything. OTOH, if I go to COMBINE BATTERIES, all the batteries are being drawn down. Charlie Nelson PS: Need to be able to disconnect the solar to store the panel when I am club racing--it won't be permanently mounted. -----Original Message----- From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Edd Schillay <e...@schillay.com <mailto:e...@schillay.com> > Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: Batteries etc. Charlie, I would suggest the following: 1. Yes, set up a buss bar to the house bank for your charging sources. 2. I assume you’re looking to set up solar on the stern of the boat, either off the stern rail or on the bimini. You should have plenty of access to get wiring into the back cabin where your batteries are. Put the controller near the buss. 3. As for a disconnect (not sure why you’d want to disconnect), most panels have their own connector so that you can connect to wires or link to others for more wattage. Just unplug it when you want to. 4. It is advisable, even with an ACR, to run all charging sources (shore charger, alternator and solar) to one bank. That being said, I never found a logical reason as to why, but everyone says you should. With that in mind, I’d run them all to the house bank to ensure everything keeps going (bilge pump, fridge, lights, etc.) and not the engine bank. The ACR will charge both anyway. That’s my $0.02. All the best, Edd Edd M. Schillay Captain of the Starship Enterprise C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B Venice Yacht Club | Venice Island, FL Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log <http://enterpriseb.blogspot.com/> On Jun 24, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Charlie Nelson via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com <mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote: My early post/request was incorrect (and thus confusing) in the details: I have a Xantrex battery monitor that replaced my old voltage switch when my dc power system was upgraded--my original post called it a Victron or something--anyway all it does is monitor the batteries. My current system has 2 Group 31 Northstar 'house' batteries and a Group 27 or 31 'start' battery. When this was installed, the old 1/2/all switch was eliminated and replaced by a Blue Seas Dual Circuit Plus switch with Off-On-Combine Batteries positions and an ACR from Blue Seas. At the dock, the batteries are charged by a Xantrex 20/40 (forget which). Otherwise they are hooked up via the Blue Seas switch with the ACR. All the batteries are located in 2 built in battery compartments in the port side of the aft cabin under the bunk. One compartment houses 2 batteries and the other has a single battery. The switch and ACR are located immediately above the batteries on the aft bulkhead with leads of about 3 feet. Now to my original questions: I would like to hook up a solar panel to trickle charge the system in my absence and would like advice on physically how to do it. I have a MPPT controller, etc. but need a simple/safe way to connect/disconnect it and how: directly to one of the battery banks? Similarly I like the idea of an emergency battery/charger (the portable kind that keeps its internal battery charged from AC but is light enough to carry on board) that can be hooked up to get going if all the above goes to hell, Where is the best place to patch such a connection to the system for an emergency start system--presumably this same place could be used also hook in the solar panel? My educated guess is to attach a buss bar to one of the batteries (the start or house?) and then attach the wires of the solar controller and the external charger to those. Maybe since I have the ACR, it doesn't matter since it will distribute the charge accordingly? (BTW, the shore charger delivers charge to the start battery and the house batteries via separate charger outputs.) Thanks to all who tried to answer my original post in spite of the mis-information it contained!! 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