Thanks Richard, Nothing in the money talk has been unexpected to me... yet.
On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 9:55 AM Richard Bush via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > This is in response to (actually in support of) Joe's "numbers" post; I > have a 37 and experience the same type of costs; I'm on a river and I built > my own boat dock for about 15Gs...; just to know my boat was safe and > secure; my purpose in joining in is to say, > don't let these numbers put you off; > In spite of the scary numbers, I love my boat and it is worth every penny > to me....; it becomes your lifestyle and thus the cost becomes the same as > rent, food, utilities and other daily expenses... > > Richard > > Richard N. Bush Law Offices > 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine > Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 > 502-584-7255 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > Cc: Della Barba, Joe <joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> > Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2020 9:26 am > Subject: Re: Stus-List New-guy C&C 40 Shopping questions > > The reason we are collectively giving a bit of warning is you are about to > jump into a whole new world of both much bigger $$$ and much bigger forces. > Not to say it isn’t worth it, but it helps to know what you are getting > into. > To start with, the loads on a 40 foot boat are exponentially bigger than a > 23 foot boat. Accidents can be very expensive and they can be lethal. > Maintenance likewise can be financially lethal. > I’ll get into the cash aspect here first. Everything scales up by the > foot, pound, and square yard. Slips cost more, haulouts cost more, bottom > paint costs more, sails cost more, engines cost more, even cushions cost > more. There are things you don’t even think of like batteries. It is easy > to spend over $1,000 on batteries alone! These are all OLD BOATS now and > you always have the potential for repairs that cost a good fraction of what > the boat is worth. You also have to add the DIY factor. Most of us this > list do a lot of DIY repairs. I could never ever afford to keep my boat > floating if I had to pay anyone to maintain her. My wife sometimes > questions my sanity when I come home exhausted with a few bloodstains on my > shirt, epoxy stuck to my arm, and tell her how much I love sailing J > I could not even begin to make something like a spreadsheet. If I saw the > hard numbers, it would probably scare me off sailing for good! I’ll give > you a rough guess here and this is for a 35 foot boat. > Fixed costs: > Slip: $2400/yr. I have a good deal, it can be a LOT more! > Insurance: Around $600/yr. > This is the rock-bottom minimum for the boat to just float in one spot and > not move. > Electricity: What, you didn’t think you would have an electric bill? > You’re in the big leagues now! About $10/month in summer, it has hit $60 in > really cold months between the cabin heat and ice-eater. > Fuel: Somewhere between 50 and 150 gallons of fuel in a year, depending on > where we go and how much wind there is. > Repairs/upgrades/etc. > This is HUGELY variable. I cannot imagine a year without at least a few > hundred bucks in random stuff I don’t even keep track of. > Over the years I have done things like: > Rewire the boat – I think I was about $3,000 or so in supplies on that one. > Batteries – The house battery is about $600 or so for a 4D. The engine > start battery is about $150. > Engine – I am on my third engine. The first one lasted for 20 years until > salt water corroded it to death. We bought a used replacement that was not > that good and that one got junked for a really nice rebuilt engine that was > a hobby project for a laid off chief engineer waiting for his ship to get > out of drydock. My expenses on this were incredibly low by boat standards > because I have an Atomic 4 gasoline engine. They are somewhat plentiful > used compared to many and I got each engine for under $2000 and **did all > the work myself**. A shop installing a rebuilt Atomic 4 would likely bill > you around $6,000 or more. I got quotes for diesel engine replacements in > the $12K and up range! Note a C&C 40 does not use the A4, swapping that > diesel out if it dies would be well over $10K if you pay to have it done. > Even totally DIY, used diesels that fit your boat and are not junk are not > easy to find and usually not cheap either. > Sails – they get worn out. They are not cheap. Used sails to fit a furler > are very hard to find, no one wants to get rid of them. I got incredibly > lucky when I got the sails from a dismasted 35 in great shape, but you > can’t count on that. I was racing a C&C 40 up a windy river under chute > with my soon-to-be wife and the 40 could not get past us for a while, they > were slower under jib. Then a gust came across the river, our sail turned > into mulit-colored nylon confetti, the 40 passed us, and I had to explain > that was several thousand dollars’ worth of pretty colors flying all over > the place. > Bottom paint is not every year for me and I do it myself, even so that > usually adds up to a kilobuck more or less with yard fees and supplies. I > had to remove the mast once and rebuild the mast step. That too probably > got close to a kilobuck if not more and that was me doing 100% of the work, > but I can’t haul a boat and remove the mast myself, there are still yard > fees. That would have easily been a $5K job or more if I paid the yard. > I have fixed the head, replaced the head, replaced seacocks, replaced > bilge pumps, replaced water pumps, replaced instruments, replaced keel bolt > backing plates, replaced port hole Plexiglas, and 1000 other things I can’t > even remember right now. We are starting cushion replacement. I got a big > memory foam king mattress and carved it into a v-berth mattress so far. If > I just pay the local shop the rest of the interior will be $4K or so. > Canvas is not forever, the dodger and bimini are wear items and eventually > that will be a few thousand bucks again. > > The best quote on boat expenses is from a buddy – “it costs all you have”. > You can easily find $100,000 of improvements to a 40 foot boat if you have > the cash and if you only have $345.78, the boat will happily take that too! > > > *Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I* > *www.dellabarba.com <http://www.dellabarba.com>* > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > >
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