Shawn - Fwiw - I’ll chime in having spent many years going through this, and having gotten comfortable with the various trade offs and just closed the purchase of my next boat (alubat OVNI 435….) I’ve accepted that Driving the OVNI will be more G-Wagen than Lotus… IMO Any c&c is pretty moderate in design (vs a pogo or Colin archer) and is performance-biased so it’ll probably ‘sail well’, broadly speaking. The rest comes down to how you’ll REALLY be using the boat. How much time to windward, how often consecutive overnight sails, how much loafing in the comfy cockpit (go Hunter!) etc. I hadn’t fully thought it through when boat shopping, and I got very lucky choosing windstar (c&C 33-2) in a lot of ways. she can be single handed easily, and she goes to windward really well in all conditions, and I’m comfortable sailing in any conditions I’ve encountered here. I didn’t fully appreciate that for ‘out and back’ sailing, I’d be spending most of my time on the wind, (and loving it) and I wasn’t thinking much about singlehanding. Her cockpit is …. Tolerable … for entertaining and while she ‘sleeps several’ she couldn’t keep them hydrated for long. She has a big tall rig and here in Lake Ontario, that’s great. All this is relevant, all good for how and where the boat is used. She’s a great boat and I’ll miss the performance for sure. Otoh My dad advised that when he cruised his steel cutter he rarely sailed to windward, only steered when entering harbour or daysailing, and reefed his stout, conservative rig at sunset. He really valued the pilot berth, and hated not having ice. He also appreciated the ability to reduce sail and remain balanced, and the way she hove to. He told me a 150nm day was decent and that he was never too concerned about it. Not a lot said about light air performance, ever, but the boat was a moderate, modern (then) brewer design and no slug - it was a fun, respectable Wednesday night sailor- for what it was.
In my recent search, in noticed a few things not often discussed: The relationship between cockpit sole height, boom height, dodger height and aft accommodation. Many newer boats have super tall dodgers, (rarely evident in brochure photos) shallow cockpits with no appreciable lockers, and condo-like master bedrooms. This is really evident in boats under say 45’. The ability to mount solar panels, stow a dinghy, and the ease of boarding are also things worth thinking about. (People treasure Amels for many good reasons, but….. ) In reeeally old boats, where does the propane tank go? Can you reach the Genoa sheets from the helm? Can you stretch out on the cockpit seats? Fun stuff. Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 18, 2023, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > > > Hi Kevin and other Landfall 43 owners: > > "Sails well for what it is"... that's what concerns me... not sure I am ready > to sail a Hunter-bago! I know it won't accelerate or turn like my 35, but I > need to be sailing if there's wind, not motoring, as that would not work for > me. > So what is the minimum true wind speed you would sail in on a reach, and what > boat speed would you get? How much true wind do you need to get moving at > 7kts consistently? If you do offshore passages, what is a typical day, and > what is your best day range in 24 hrs? > How does it go upwind, and what is the AWA when closehauled and tuned for > best VMG? > > On a different topic, how is the cockpit, and locker storage on deck? The > cockpit looks a bit shallow/small, with no good back rests. There appears to > be two small aft deck lockers, and one port side aft locker; one of these I > assume is propane. How large/deep are the lockers? One of the reasons we > didn't like the 44 was minimal locker space on deck, so this is a concern > also. > > Thanks! > -- > Shawn Wright > shawngwri...@gmail.com > S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 > https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto > > > On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 2:14 PM Kevin Wright via CnC-List > <cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> Hi Shawn, >> We have a 1985 Landfall 43 in Georgian Bay, going into our 3 season. Love >> the boat has all the room we need and more and it sails well for what it is. >> Haven't had any major issues, like David, our engine was replaced with a >> 55hp Westerbeke and does 7 knots without any problems. The only thing we >> wished it had was some sort of sugar scoop to make it easier to get in and >> out of the dingy. I'm heading to the boat tomorrow to take some transom >> measurements to have a swim platform fabricated to help with that. Let us >> know how it turns out! >> >> Kevin Wright >> Raven >> 1985 Landfall 43 >> Midland ON > > Please show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help > me pay the associated bills. Make a contribution at: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > Thanks for your help. > Stu
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