On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Michael DeHaan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Robert Lazzurs wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 16:40, Rainer Duffner <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael DeHaan schrieb:
> >>
> >>> We don't really have a vested interest in making Windows physical
> >>> deployments easy to deploy.
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > So just to add my 2c in...
> >
> > This statement worries me, I would suggest while we as a community
> > should encourage the use of FOSS operating systems do we really want
> > to take an RMS style view on this?  Cobbler from my POV should be a
> > generic systems management and will work best if it can document and
> > deploy your whole infrastructure, re my earlier comments about
> > upgrading iLO cards and network devices from Cobbler.
> >
> > Windows is not going to be going away from the data centre any time
> > soon and while I believe everything should be virtual unless there is
> > a good reason not to be not everyone has that view.
> >
>
> Ok, I'll explain this further.
>
> Cobbler is growing rather fast... VERY fast, and as it grows, I want to
> make sure the quality of the application everywhere is the best it can be.
>
> There are a lot of things left undone, and various rough corners that
> still need to be polished. SUSE, Network Config, and Debian/Ubuntu support
> are all very recent and in varying degrees of being finished. We're not
> even packaged for all of them. There are still things that can't be done
> in the web application, etc.
> Lots of expansion, but we can do more to refine those things. (Does koan
> work on all of these platforms yet for virt AND replacement? Etc).
> If we expand too fast, we forget to go back and fill in that detail.
>
> I seem to encounter a lot of users that /do/ clone physical windows
> systems, so I am not sure doing scripted installs is the answer.
> Further, the RIS stuff
> does not seem to be consistent across all OSes . An approach based on
> cloning those systems may be better in the end because that also allows
> working systems to be deployed .. not just empty shells that just have
> the Base OS on them.
>
> I think we need to take a step back for a bit and focus on the core of
> Cobbler, close out lots of bugs and RFEs, ensure our new distribution
> support
> is first-class on the level with our others, and make sure the web
> application has parity with the command line.
>
> Yes, all of these things /can/ be done in parallel, but as we add new
> arms to our octopus, we must make sure we go back and add the proverbial
> suckers
> to those arms.
>
> Perfectionism is /not/ a goal, but I do want to make sure we don't
> spread out too fast and leave things unfinished.
>
> Regarding the cloning of physical systems, a while back Andrew Brown
> contributed a live image that would clone (a bit slowly) a physical
> system using cobbler to network
> deploy the clone image. I think it might be interesting to try to
> resurrect and supercharge that idea. This way we could be sure to deploy
> Windows systems
> that /also/ had their software installed, without having to also teach
> Cobbler about Windows domain automation. We say Clonezilla and other
> analogs is hard to deploy,
> why not write a better solution?
>
> And, of course, where virtualization is possible, I think that /IS/ a
> better route. We should encourage more use of that technology and also
> enhance our
> capabilities there where it makes sense.
>
> --Michael
>
>
>
Michael-

What you layout is the best aproach, I work in many windows enviroments and
RIS sucks, so we have always depend on imgaging to roll out new Windows
desktops to servers. If the brialiant coders could figure out a way to have
cobbler clone an existing system and redeploy it anyware, that would satisfy
the Windows admins I know.
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