Luca,

That would work for me as well, but I have multiple forms that need to be
incrementally validated.  The application that is being replaced
implemented client-side validation with five large forms(financial stuff)
on six layers in one page.  The javascript was a nightmare to support.  I
think the cleanest solution is an incremental server-side validation that
is driven from parameters passed through an XML file.

If cocoon can give me such a component, I will send a big fat stoggy to
each member of the development team.

If this works, Cocoon will become the standard for us in doing Content
management with form validations, which is a lot!

We have six large servlets with too many jsps implementing the same thing.
I would like to shoot the consultant that advised that architecture!

My Perspective.

Thanks,
Adam


                                                                                       
                                                
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Peter,

I beg to differ. The most part of validation is a trivial matter (minimum
lenght of fields, bounds checking, ...) and this should, in my eyes, be
done
on the client: max performance, min hassles for the user (errors are
interactivaley corrected).

Moreover, I haven't understood (probably my fault) how XMLForms can be
rendered on the client with all the bells and whistles the user wants
(styles, images, ...).

Hence, I think I'll roll my own client-side form handling package, using
the
template language envisaged in
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/03/27/templatexslt.html by Jason Diamond.

Best regards,

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hunsberger, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:06 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: Logging and Form Validation
>
>
> > This is a major
> > sticking point for my developers that like and are comfortable with jsp
> > with javascript embedded.
> > They want to keep it at the client and I am trying to build a
> case for the
> > server through cocoon.
>
> IMNSHO, the only way you can justify client side validation is if you are
> running an Intranet and you have an organization that somehow
> restricts the
> users capability to modify browsers settings so that you can ensure
> JavaScript is enabled.  Otherwise, you can receive unvalidated data...
>
> If you're running over the Internet it's fine to use client side
> validation
> in addition to server side if you want to have some extra performance
> benefits for those who have JavaScript enabled.  However, who wants to
> maintain both?
>
> Even if you have an Intranet and locked down browser settings, client
side
> validation can be a real pain to maintain over time.  In particular,
there
> is (usually) no good coupling between the validation and the rest of the
> server side code.  The exception is if you generate your client side
> validation code from server side templates.  That's quite possible, but I
> suspect that once you developers jump through the hoops of embedding
> JavaScript within  XML ( lot's of escaping and/or CDATA) they won't
object
> to server side validation nearly so much...
>
>
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