Steven has moved it to "Links'. Thank you - I overlooked the already existing point at the links page.
Regards, Reinhard > Ivelin, > > I created a new main point in the left menu and called it "Cocoon > compared". > > Reinhard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ivelin Ivanov [mailto:ivelin@;apache.org] > > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 5:23 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: XMLForms vs Struts > > > > > > Please do. > > Wiki is great, but I am not sure in which section would this one > > article go. > > Please let me know where it went. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Ivelin > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reinhard Poetz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:02 AM > > Subject: RE: XMLForms vs Struts > > > > > > Ivelin, > > > > As this is an often discussed question: Do you mind adding it to the > > CocoonWiki? If no I could do it for you ... > > > > Regards, > > Reinhard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Ivelin Ivanov [mailto:ivelin@;apache.org] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:52 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: XMLForms vs Struts > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this will not make things even more confusing for you, > > > but here is my view: > > > > > > Struts is 3 parts: > > > 1) An URL map, matching URLs to Actions. > > > Everything you can do with struts-config.xml (Struts), you can do with > > > sitemap.xmap (Cocoon). > > > > > > 2) Custom JSP tags for rendering HTML, like i18n, access to JavaBean > > > properties and others. Cocoon's set of transformers is a superset > > > of Strut's > > > visual tags. > > > > > > 3) Form handling. > > > Automated binding between HTML input fields and JavaBeans. > > > Cocoon's XMLForm does that and much more. It not only provides > > > the binding, > > > but it does it in a browser independent way. Struts is only designed > to > > > handle automatically HTML input. > > > > > > > > > For fairness sake, I will tell you that over the last 2 years I > > have used > > > Struts successfully in big enterprise projects. It is a good and sound > > > technology when you are only interested to support the major > > HTML browsers > > > and you are not concerned with other interfaces to your application > like > > > WML, VXML, Web Services, etc. > > > > > > > > > My recommendation is, if you are in a hurry and you don't want to > invest > > > time in learning a new technology, go Struts. > > > > > > If you plan to build a lot of web applications in the future, you > > > must learn > > > Cocoon. It will add a very powerful weapon to your software > > tools arsenal. > > > > > You don't have to use it all the time, but when things start to look > > > dangerously complex, you will find it to be a life saver. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Ivelin > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "SAXESS - Hussayn Dabbous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 3:48 AM > > > Subject: Re: XMLForms vs Struts > > > > > > > > > Hy; > > > > > > First let me tell you: I like the idea of merging cocoon and struts, > > > because i see both technologies to be helpfull also in conjunction... > > > > > > Omar Tazi wrote: > > > > If you like the MVC aspect in Struts and like the flexibility > provided > > > > by XML/XSLT, and don't like the limitations that come with JSPs, > check > > > > out our Framework. It's called OXF (Open XML Framework). OXF is the > > > > result of our combined passion for Cocoon and Struts/J2EE and our > > > > involvement in huge enterprise projects. It will dramatically help > you > > > > in your tasks (listed below). Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > But i am also a bit confused. I'm following the discussons in this > > > mailing list for about a week now and this is already the second > > > mentioning of a product/component (whatever) that claims to be an > > > on top of cocoon development. But when i enter the pages mentioned > > > above, it is very hard to find the backpointers to cocoon as the > > > base component... > > > > > > Despite that all this stuff sounds very interesting, but i get more > > > and more unshure how to proceed. Some questions rise in my mind: > > > > > > 1.) Why are all such nice and nifty add ons developed all outside > > > of cocoon ? > > > 2.) When i move to such an add on component, how can i enshure > > > to keep up with the releases of cocoon (taking adavantage > > > of the enhancements done there)? > > > 3.) Why can't i find pointers to these add ons from the cocoon pages ? > > > > > > There is sooo many good software around the world and cocoon > > for me is one > > > of the finest. Why does not all this effort take place at the heart > but > > > is cluttered around in several loosely coupled or even uncoupled > > > add on projects ??? > > > > > > And now my final question (to come back to the technical part): > > > Why is it so complicated to use struts and cocoon in parallel? > > > As far as i understand the concepts of cocoon, i can embed JSP's > > > in it's workflow, and if a jsp itself uses struts, why not??? > > > Although i haven't tried yet, for me these things seem to be > > > coexisting without problems ... > > > > > > Any enlightments on these points are happily welcome... > > > best regards, Hussayn > > > > > > -- > > > Dr. Hussayn Dabbous > > > SAXESS Software Design GmbH > > > Neuenhöfer Allee 125 > > > 50935 Köln > > > Telefon: +49-221-56011-0 > > > Fax: +49-221-56011-20 > > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Please check that your question has not already been answered in the > FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faq/index.html> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > For additional commands, e-mail: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. 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