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From: "Jeff Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Cocoon Users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: The simplest possible cocoon application?


> On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 05:21:13AM +0100, Robert Simmons wrote:
> > I currently have the cocoon war installed on my JBoss 3.0.4 server. It
> > works fine. I deployed a second war file that contains an XML and an
> > XSL. The XML has an embedded xsl:stylesheet processing instruction.
>
> Embedded stylesheets are very unusual.. are you sure it's Cocoon applying
> the embedded stylesheet, or the web browser?

Hmm, how could I tell? What would you use if you didnt embedd the stylesheet into the 
XML? Oh, I get it, the pipeline tells it what
transform to make ?

Addendum: I undeployed cocoon from jboss and the transform still worked. Must be the 
browser doing it. OOK .. =) Now I feel like i
actually know LESS than before.

>
> > When I go to the URL inside the war and hit the XML page, the
> > translation is made fine.
> >
> > Ok so here is the question. I am now thinking of doing something a bit
> > more than static XML pages. What would be the bare minimum? Do I have
> > to copy the cocoon war and all the libs in it to another deployment or
> > can I use the jars already deployed in the war?
>
> Each war has one main sitemap.  Each sitemap can have lots of different
> pipelines.  Where did the 'second war file' you mention come from?  Did
> you copy the sitemap and WEB-INF/cocoon.xconf from the Cocoon samples
> war?
>

What I mean is that, if possible, I dont want to copy the whole MASSIVE jar library in 
the cocoon distribution war into every
blasted web app that I create. The thing thats stumping the newbie here is how a user 
uses it. It almost seems like i have to be
practically a dveloper on cocoon to use it. I honestly dont care how it works, I just 
ultimately want to write come generators that
smack a EJB and spit out XML that then gets transformed. Basically what i have right 
now is a normal java servlet that builds a dom
document, serializes it to xml and trusts the xsl transform to put out the html and so 
on. The servlet has a massive number of
methods from all the commands being handeled. I want to nuke that servlet and instead 
write cocoon generators to spit out the xml
and then let cocoon do its magic. However after 12 hours of reading, Im still a tad 
lost.

> > Do sitemaps work outside of the cocoon war?
>
> No.  Wars are completely self-contained things.

Yes yes, I know this. But if I deploy 5 different WARs to the server, I dont want to 
have that HUGE library of jars in every war.

>
> > How can I set up a simple application, prior to considering generators,
> > outside of the cocoon deployment?
>
> What do you mean, 'outside' a deployment?

The issue with the jars is what I mean.

>
> > Note. The lack of truly newbie cocoon documentation is appalling.
>
> Fortunately we have a Wiki where anyone can document things.  This page
> looks quite relevant to your question:
>

I will read it ... but I have to say that this looks liek a very powerful front end 
that once you know it, it is great. Prior to
that there is ALLOT of head scratching. And I dont think im any lightweight at 
programmign either.

> http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=SimpleTransformations
>
>
> --Jeff
>
> > -- Robert
>
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