Berin, I think that I understand how you feel, and although the
abstraction was implemented outside of Avalon, I do believe that Avalon
should be attributed in some way, because it ended up being so close.

What can we do to make this better?  The biggest difference that I see
is that commons-logging is trying to be super small.  I want to talk
this out before I give my +1 on the release.  I am willing to try and
make this better.

I am -0 until I can see completely where Berin is coming from.

Scott Sanders

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Berin Loritsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:28 AM
> To: Jakarta Commons Developers List
> Subject: Re: [Logging] [VOTE] Commons Logging 1.0 Release
> 
> 
> Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
> 
> > We've refined the commons-logging APIs, and documented the 
> mechanics.  
> > In addition, I've heard from numerous people on various 
> projects that 
> > would like to use these APIs, but are hesitant to do so 
> without a 1.0 
> > release.
> > 
> > Therefore, I'd like to now propose that we do a 1.0 release of the 
> > commons-logging package, based on the current contents of the CVS 
> > repository for this package.  I will volunteer to act as release 
> > manager, following the standard process for Commons packages:
> > 
> >   http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/releases.html
> > 
> > ----- CUT HERE -----
> > [ ] +1  I support the release of Commons Logging 1.0 and 
> will help [ ] 
> > +0  I support the release, but cannot help [ ] -0  I am not 
> in favor 
> > of the release [ ] -1  I am opposed to this release, and here's why 
> > (attach reasons)
> > ----- CUT HERE -----
> 
> 
> -1
> 
> 
> How many logger abstractions do we need?  Avalon has a 
> perfectly good one. (I am not a committer on commons though...).
> 
> It looks like a direct rip off of the Avalon logger 
> abstraction, and despite the work that Peter Donald and I put 
> into it, we get no mention.
> 
> 
> 
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