A few semi-random points on parent-first vs. parent-last classloading: 1) EJBs, EARs and other non-webapp J2EE deployments typically use parent-first loading. I'd thought JBoss offered a deployment descriptor option that allowed the deployer to choose parent-last, but I was mistaken. Too bad; I was hoping the scope of the "if you want control, use parent-last classloading" approach would apply.
2) When checking into the above, I discovered that in the latest JBoss, their webapp classloader won't load commons-logging.jar from WEB-INF/lib even if parent-last loading is in effect. It's specifically disabled. Seems there were type conflicts with JCL classes loaded by the integrated Tomcat container. Not sure yet what this is all about, but in any case the net effect is that as far as JCL is concerned, a webapp on JBoss behaves as if parent-first loading were in effect. 3) Thinking again of the DefaultServlet and JSPServlet in Tomcat. These classes are loaded by a container classloader, but the logging of a specific instance of the classes should be governed by the configuration of the webapp. AFAICT, this will require dynamic discovery based on the TCCL. I too prefer the simplicity (and lack of memory leaks) of static binding, but given the above and the recent discussion continue to see a long life for dynamic discovery as well. This gets me thinking of how carefully we're going to have to document things when we provide both static and dynamic discovery. For example, if we provide a commons-logging-jdk14.jar, we'll have to make clear that deploying it with your EJBs won't work if the container has commons-logging.log4j.jar on the classpath, that it won't work in a webapp on JBoss, etc. Brian __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]