Oleg wrote:

> Adam, with all due respect let me point out that we have stable
> HTTPCLIENT_2_0_BRANCH branch that should be used by those who need API
> and/or code stability. If GUMP cannot be configured to use any other CVS
branch but
> HEAD, this is a totally different kind of a problem, and it should be
brought up to GUMP
> folks, not to us.

Gump can be configured, but it is community configured, and your project has
selected this configuration.

I am (very recently) a "gump folk", although still learning -- and these
opionions are most definately, my own -- however I think we are discussing
"Gump ettiquette". I think your project unwittingly did something a bit
unfriendly, and I'd like to cultivate a "gump how-to" or
"how-to-be-a-friend-of-gump" that helps you/other projects from doing the
same in the future.

I care because I feel Gump supports inter-community respect, and project
collaboration, and I want projects to depend upon each other more, not less.

Gump's philosophy is to use CVS HEAD, and does so by default. You could've
set your project to use the stable tag, but without it you involved all your
dependees in any major changes. Now debatably this is a good thing, it helps
you find the problems, but as your list of dependees gets long (and I hope
it does :-) and if things fail, then this stops a whole sub-tree of Gump
from Gumping ... and hence is detrimental to the community. As such, a
separate transition project (one for stable, one for CVS HEAD) allows you
and sub-projects to decide when to "test the new stuff" and you (via
aliasing) can decide "when to flip the switch".

As for having unit tests run in the gump project, there are three schools of
thought. First says don't do them, Gump is for compiling -- unit tests cost
Gump CPU, but I disagree -- and I hope most folks do. Second is -- add them
to your main project. Third says -- create a separate xxx-test project for
your unit tests. The logic behind the third (which I am becoming a fan of)
is that dependees can then chose to depend upon xxx or also upon xxx-test.
Typically unit tests are very strict, so depending upon xxx-test might cause
wasted gumping (a compile error might not be found due to some obscure unit
test failing), so folks would normally not depend upon xxx-test (their
yyy-test would find it) unless they felt xxx was unstable, and then they
could.

I think these are nuance of using Gump that escapes most Gump project
configurer [I am just getting them], and I think it needs to be address via
some sort of "FriendOfGump" guidelines documentation on Gump. I am copying
the Gump list for their input, and if a conscensus is there I'll try to
write up the documentaton.

regards

Adam


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