Dear AfriNIC's Community,

Le lundi 2 août 2021, Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> a écrit :

> Hi Mike
>
>
Hi Noah,

Thanks for your email, brother!

...it's time to learn about the RIR system's history.



> Thank you for your reply and opinion on the matter.
>
> I am personally offended by Owens choice of words against ICANN.
>
> The existence of an RIR is only possible through ICANN ICP-2  and for him
> to refer to ICANN as a puppet is offending.
>
> AFRINIC would not have existed without the ICANN structures.
>


Exact!

For those who need an anchor to start with,
please look at RFC7020:

The Internet Numbers Registry System

<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7020>

Shalom,
--sb.


>
> Noah
>
> On Mon, 2 Aug 2021, 11:42 Mike Silber, <silber.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Noah
>>
>> Without getting into the content of your mail and without endorsing the
>> specific language chosen by Owen: The RIRs are independent and ICANN does
>> not in any way direct or control the RIRs.
>>
>> The RIRs chose to operate within the ICANN framework, however can move
>> the NRO / ASO out of ICANN at any time (including moving the contract out
>> of PTI as well).
>>
>> So I would not characterise ICANN as “puppet” of the NRO - but rather a
>> framework within which an independent NRO choses to operate. That may be a
>> distinction without a difference - so I am not offended by Owen’s choice of
>> words.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On 2 Aug 2021, at 10:23, Noah <n...@neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>
>> Owen,
>>
>> I have some questions for you...
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2021, 20:43 Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss, <
>> community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> While people often mistake ICANN for some form of authority, the reality
>>> is that for number
>>> resources, ICANN is a puppet at the end of the strings pulled by the NRO
>>> (which acts in the
>>> role of ICANN ASO).
>>>
>>
>> Your association with LARUS has really got you off the rails.
>>
>> No wonder Larus has created the so called purported organization called
>> the *Number Resource Alliance* aka NRA  whose website is
>> https://www.nra.help/
>>
>> Since you claim that ICANN is a puppet of the NRO, and not an authority,
>> is that why your LARUS which is linked to Cloud Innovation Ltd created this
>> so called *NRA* organisation.
>>
>> Are IPv4 brokers now forming their own system?  Against ICANN and the
>> NRO?
>>
>> I ask because your sentiments that ICANN is a puppet are really wanting.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Noah
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>>

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