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El viernes, 12 dici, 2003, a las 11:25 Europe/Madrid, Nicola Ken Barozzi escribi�:
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El mi�rcoles, 10 dici, 2003, a las 19:30 Europe/Madrid, Andrew C. Oliver escribi�:infrastructure???? My issue with the PMCization of Apache is that everything is moving to private lists. How is this open???
Bzzz. Wrong. Nothing is moving to private lists. Creation of more PMCs and private lists are two extremely different things. Apache is in the process of creating more PMCs, as was intended since the beginning, so that community groups are responsible directly of the project without useless beaurocratic levels of indirection.
All discussions that are not extremely sensitive must happen on public lists *as always*. If it doesn't happen, it should be rectified.
If we are in lots of private lists it will start happening that a percentage of the information will "fall" in those, instead of public ones, just because of laziness or to avoid moving threads.
Being out of all PMCs, I have been experiencing the same feelings. I suspect that we look more and more opaque from the outside, which I think is bad.
If this is the case, it *is* bad. We must ensure that all discussions happen on public lists unless it's evidently necessary, for several reasons, that they remain private to PMCs.
You could be right. I glanced quickly (just size of compressed monthly archives, i.e. raw information value) of different private and public lists and I could not find any definitive trend or correlation. Some statistics on long term traffic on both private and public lists would be nice to have, as traffic is very bursty, and only statistical analysis can give us hints on actual volume of public vs private mail.
It could be *my* perception while I adapt to these changing times, having been appointed member and a lot of project activity in the last months.
Overmore, all long term committers should be on the PMC, which should simply represent all the dev group.
And actively taking care to not use this list except for sensitive matters.
Regards,
Santiago
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