I'm really not very impressed with the article.

The gender issue just confuses things and they provide a perfectly rational reason for why the gender difference exists (in the same way that there's an age, nationality, education level, career-path bias to open-source). The only solution is more female coders, and it will happen. As an aside, I wonder what the ratio of female coders between large corporates and small corporates is compared to the male ratio. I bet female coders are largely at the big corporates rather than the small, and ignoring a few exceptions, big corporates are not likely environments for open-source as they become so insular.

If we remove the gender parts of this article, we basically get something that says that open-source coding will not succeed if it continues to be a group of coders doing things that interest coders. ie) in their eyes the same number of open-source coders should be working on mythtv as are working on linux or eclipse, because each product is equally important. In fact, mythtv should be more important than eclipse as there are far more potential PVR customers than developers out there.

This is completely true. If we were a large company pondering our product plan, we'd agree that bringing out a games console is a better move than trying to improve our developer IDE in terms of simple profit margin. But we're not. We're a community working on the things that interest our community.

The open-source coding community leads the way in showing how communities can group together, especially using the Internet as a backbone, to solve problems that normally would require a large corporate and a subscription model, but it isn't a development team to work on all the world's problems. There are other communities (which definitely overlap the open-source coding community) to do that.

In the end, I think the only thing that will hurt us is if the people who shape the future of computing stop being those who are most interested in computing. The only way that seems likely to happen are a) if computing becomes easy, and then we're all out of a job, or b) governments/lawyers decide to decide the future.

(The success of open-source coding on b) is very impressive thanks to the
 wonderful legal work of the FSF. )

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Some directed notes:

* The domination of Apple laptops at open-source conventions shows the adoration with which FLOSS developers have greeted Apple's user interface. In fact, I think we represent the only new market for Apple' computers recently.

* Python/Apache are terrible projects to look at. These are established communities towards the core of coding (not as deep as Linux, but close). Instead start looking at a higher level at open community projects concerning things that affect non-coders.

Sorry for the spam, but you asked and it's Friday evening at 6pm :) Killing time while the rush-hour dies.

Hen

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Brian Behlendorf wrote:


Use www.bugmenot.com if you need a password.

Comments? Is there anything the community thinks we could do to address the situation?

        Brian

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:09:41 -0400
From: Greg Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Open Source, Cold Shoulder

Hello everyone.  I'm very pleased to announce that an article Michelle
Levesque and I wrote about why so few women get involved in open source
computing, and what that reveals about open source's weaknesses, is now
on-line at:

   http://www.sdmagazine.com/documents/sdm0411b/

You may have to register to view it, but registration is free.

Thanks,
Greg Wilson

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