Ok thanks.
Excellent.
Will look into my own filter with the PCRE (?im:From:[email protected])
Yes, I have GOOD-REVDNS on, but had to lower its weight because people
were losing mail.
People freak out more if they are losing mail than if they are getting
phishing
(but only because they haven’t succumbed /yet).
/I am naturally just a freaked but spoofing of all kinds. It’s a balance.
It’s not like this would be done for many addresses.
I would only add FROM addresses that were false-positives
(but were not whitelistable with Declude-Sender because they are using
a darn 3^rd party mailer)
and that aren’t yet being spoofed yet (until they become a problem).
People are more immediate in their freak-out if they lose a car
rental agreement or purchase
of any kind.
I agree it’s harder to do for banks – that seem targeted by spoofing.
If spoofing then happens then I can say ‘I told you so’ to the customer.
I’m wanting to apply this on a per domain basis if I can, same as I
can with the existing whitelist file.
3^rd party mailers /are /sending spam if it’s perceived as spam.
One man’s desired informational email is another man’s terrible
terrible spam.
It’s a problem for me because I have many multiple domains on one server.
Will have to see if this customer is saavy enough to send me the header.
Will get back to you.
Thanks.
Carl
J. Carl Wagar
EntreNet Communications Inc
www.entrenet.com <http://www.entrenet.com> www.thehostingservice.com
<http://www.thehostingservice.com>
24 Swain Ave, Ottawa, ON, K1G 4T1, Canada
Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, skype: jcwagar
Tel: +1 613-737-7327, Fax: +1 613-737-5801
Cel: +1 613-818-8898
*From:*[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *David Barker
*Sent:* Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:32 PM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* [MBF] Re: whitelist FROM address
Are you using the GOOD-REVDNS filter ?
I would disagree with your statement "yes it can be spoofed but no one
cares about that" this in fact would cause a huge influx of spam. How
many of your customers whitelist paypal.com or amazon.com or even
their own domains ? You would be opening the door to spammers..
You could create your own filter if you really are adamant about it,
that would whitelist the from address here is how to do it:
HEADERS WHITELIST PCRE (?im:From:[email protected])
Rather than add lines to the PRE-TESTED filter, can you send me a
header of the message that failed so I can make the appropriate changes?
David
On 1/3/2015 8:57 PM, Carl Wagar wrote:
All I know is that the PRE-TESTED filter thinks a Thrifty is a
spammer coming from this 3^rd party mailer.
I am concerned, any firm that uses a 3^rd party mailer deserves
unreliability.
But my customers have no clue.
It would still be nice if /some/ kind of whitelisting was
available based on stated FROM address.
(yes it can be spoofed but no one cares about /that/). They just
want to whitelist based
on the address it is showing in their mailbox!
I need some sort of ‘WHITELIST FROMHEADERS @thrifty.com’ option
that uses the FROM address
in the header.
and WHITELISTFROMHEADERSFILE ’ to have a file of these.
In the meantime I have to add something the following to the
pre-tested filter:
HEADERS -200 PCRE (?:Thrifty Car Rental)
HEADERS -200 PCRE (?:thrifty.com)
My life is a constant noise of responding to these anomalies.
I can forsee that within a year or two I will have to abandon all
this and move
everyone to godaddy, google-apps, Microsoft-exchange-online or
whatever.
Everyone /assumes/ they are perfect.
Better yet, I would like someone to go back in time and have a
chat with SpamFord Wallace
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanford_Wallace
Carl
J. Carl Wagar
EntreNet Communications Inc
www.entrenet.com <http://www.entrenet.com>
www.thehostingservice.com <http://www.thehostingservice.com>
24 Swain Ave, Ottawa, ON, K1G 4T1, Canada
Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>, skype:
jcwagar
Tel: +1 613-737-7327, Fax: +1 613-737-5801
Cel: +1 613-818-8898
*From:*[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *David Barker
*Sent:* Saturday, January 3, 2015 8:36 PM
*To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* [MBF] Re: whitelist FROM address
Hi Carl,
The sender is easily forged, this is why Declude specifically
looks at the sender in the envelope and not the FROM line, this is
by design.
The PRE-TESTED filter was/is a temporary fix for the pre-tested
spam, if you are using it in conjunction with the GOOD-REVDNS you
would not be facing these issues as the PRE-TESTED filter would
end on legitimate 3rd party mailers (The 3rd party mailers like
constant contact are legitimate email senders they are not spam,
also their unsubscribe links do work.) Another option you have is
to use the gauntlet
http://mailsbestfriend.com/downloads/docs/Gauntlet_2.0_Instructions.pdf
A third option, as you are in Canada you may want to look at Opt
Out From Online Behavioural Advertising
http://youradchoices.ca/choices
Hope this starts you in the right direction. This is an issue that
can be resolved. Let us know if you need further help.
David Barker
Mail’s Best Friend
Email : [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Web : www.mailsbestfriend.com <http://www.mailsbestfriend.com>
Office : 866.919.2075
On 1/3/2015 6:48 PM, Carl Wagar wrote:
Hi. I have an ongoing problem…
Declude-Sender screws up whitelisting.
*Is there any way we can have the whitelists use the FROM
address and NOT just the Declude-Sender?*
**
Whitelisting doesn’t work much of the time because
increasingly, firms are using mailing list
services instead of their own mail servers. Everyone thinks
it’s a great idea to use
constant-contact, mailchimp etc, to send their ‘legitimate’
broadcasts.
The same services used to send mail people /don’t/ want.
**
For example.
Why on earth Declude-Sender be @envfrm.rsys2.com for
Thrifty Rental Car reservations when they could use their own
servers @thrifty.com.
Stupid idea. As a result,
*the PRE-TESTED filter was filtering out people’s rental-car
reservations!*
//
The fact that everyone now wants to /send/ marketing /to
everyone/ but /never /wants to
/get/marketing /from anyone/, /except /the marketing /they do
want to get/ but
but which /no one else wants to get/: is driving me insane.
Comments?
Carl
J. Carl Wagar
EntreNet Communications Inc
www.entrenet.com <http://www.entrenet.com>
www.thehostingservice.com <http://www.thehostingservice.com>
24 Swain Ave, Ottawa, ON, K1G 4T1, Canada
Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>,
skype: jcwagar
Tel: +1 613-737-7327, Fax: +1 613-737-5801
Cel: +1 613-818-8898
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