Darren Cook: <4b7552b7.9060...@dcook.org>: >Thanks for all the replies! It is much appreciated. > >Hiroshi Yamashita wrote: >> I think we can guess something from CGOS rating. >> I made a table about CGOS and KGS bot rating. >> At least in 19x19, CGOS and KGS rank is similar. > >That is a very interesting table. It is curious that Zen is only 2 ranks >higher on 9x9. However Aya is 4 ranks higher and Fuego [1] is about 2kyu >on KGS, so (if KGS and CGOS 19x19 correspond for it too, then) also 4 >ranks higher.
Please don't compare the ratings of different versions of programs on different hardware. The rating of Zen (at least version 4.2) on CGOS 9x9 is about 3 ranks higher than KGS, although (:-) only 1 rank higher than CGOS 19x19. Followings are the rating and rank of Zengg-4x4c (CGOS) and Zengg19 (KGS) respectively, though the games for Zengg19 aren't many enough. Zengg-4x4c and Zengg19 share the same code based on Zen-4.2 and hardware (a cluster of 4 quad-core PCs). CGOS 9x9 bayeselo 2919+75-64 CGOS 19x19 bayeselo 2830+80-71 KGS 19x19 3d I don't know why Hirosi didn't use "bayeselo" for the ratings on CGOS, which should give more reliable rating numbers. Below is another table using bayeselo. http://cgos.boardspace.net/9x9/bayes.html http://cgos.boardspace.net/19x19/bayes.html CGOS 9x9 CGOS 19x19 KGS 19x19 GNU Go v3.7.10 lvl10 1805+7-6 1800 (ref) 6k Aya693_1c 2493+-74 2175+-44 3k AyaMC2 (10k po) Fuego svn1095 1c 2629+-22 Fuego svn1095 2c 2150+31-30 Fuego svn1089 8c 2759+86-71 2353+-141 2k Fuego? Zen v4.9 1c 2795+74-68 2716+210-146 Zen v4.9 8c 2d Zen19? (15sec/move) Zengg (v4.2) 4x4c 2919+75-64 2830+80-71 3d Zengg19 (20:00+5x0:30) Note that Zen19 (KGS) runs on an 8-core MacPro while Zen-4.9-1c ran on just one core. I also wonder if Zen19 and Fuego on KGS are v4.9 and svn1089, respectively. Watching the ratings of GNU Go and Zengg on CGOS 19x19 and KGS in above table, they don't scale the same, say, 6k to 3d should be plus 800 Elo but is 1000 Elo on CGOS. Hideki >The difference between ManyFaces blitz and slow is also a lovely gem of >information. A quick check shows both accounts are playing a lot of >games, so this should be statistically significant; the ranking charts >are hard to read, but it looks like 1 to 1.5 ranks difference. (Is there >a way on KGS to get the underlying rating number?) > >Darren > > > >> >> >> CGOS KGS? CGOS 9x9 CGOS 19x19 KGS rank 19x19 >> >> 1800 6k gnugo3.7.10 gnugo3.7.10 6k GnuGo (postneo, etc) >> 1900 5k >> 2000 4k >> 2100 3k Aya693c_1c 3k AyaMC2 (10k playouts) >> 2200 2k Aya693a_10k 2k pachi2 >> 2300 1k pachi-c919f 1k ManyFaces (30minutes) >> 2400 1d mfgo12-610-2c 1d ManyFaces1 (10sec blitz) >> 2500 2d Aya693_1c Zen-4.9-1c 2d Zen19 Zen (15sec/move) >> 2600 3d Fuego-1095-1c >> 2700 4d Zen-4.9-1c >> 2800 5d Zengg9-4x4c >> 2900 6d >> >> Hiroshi Yamashita > > >[1]: http://www.gokgs.com/graphPage.jsp?user=Fuego > > >-- >Darren Cook, Software Researcher/Developer > >Specializing in intelligent search (in multiple languages), discovery >of context, aiding communication, and basically helping people find >and make good use of their data. > >http://dcook.org/gobet/ (Shodan Go Bet - who will win?) >http://dcook.org/mlsn/ (Multilingual open source semantic network) >http://dcook.org/work/ (About me and my work) >http://dcook.org/blogs.html (My blogs and articles) >_______________________________________________ >computer-go mailing list >computer-go@computer-go.org >http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/ -- g...@nue.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Kato) _______________________________________________ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/
