Watching games 1-2 stones over you is helpful. There's some limit (9 stones? ) where it's hard to learn much, but computers aren't (apparently) there yet.
s. On Mar 14, 2016 9:36 AM, "Jim O'Flaherty" <jim.oflaherty...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm using the term "teacher" loosely. Any player who is better than me is > an opportunity to learn. Being able to interact with the superior AI player > strictly through actual play in a repeatable and undo-able form allows me > to experiment and explore independently, in a way not achievable with a > superior skilled human. This doesn't diminish the value of human teachers. > In fact, I see them exploiting AIs to 'trivially play out all variations" > when attempting to demonstrate why a particular move is desirable or > undesirable. > > To support your point, though, I completely agree the kind of > formalization you are pursuing will have even higher value as the AIs > stretch out beyond humans. I think your work when combined with an untiring > AI assistant will help human Go considerably. I know I have been helped > greatly by your work, and I'm at a very amateur skill level. > > And your right about the more rigorous meaning of teacher (or Sensei) > being quite a bit further away. I'm hopeful other AI breakthroughs outside > of the Go domain will help close the gap more quickly. > On Mar 14, 2016 9:21 AM, "Robert Jasiek" <jas...@snafu.de> wrote: > >> On 14.03.2016 08:59, Jim O'Flaherty wrote: >> >>> an AI player who becomes a better and better teacher. >>> >> >> But you are aware that becoming a stronger AI player does not equal >> becoming a stronger teacher? Teachers also need to (translate to and) >> convey human knowledge and reasoning, and adapt to the specific pupils' >> needs (incl. reasoning, subconscious thinking and psychology) while >> interacting with human language specialised in go language. Solve two dozen >> AI tasks, combine them and then, maybe, you get the equivalent of a >> teacher. [FYI, I have taught 100+ regular single go pupils since 2008, and >> groups of pupils.] >> >> -- >> robert jasiek >> _______________________________________________ >> Computer-go mailing list >> Computer-go@computer-go.org >> http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >
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