As sympathetic as I I go away on vacation and all heck breaks loose... As sympathetic as I am to call for more respect on this list, I think Chris has missed one important point about the Vista upgrade issue.
It is NOT a purely technical question in terms of evaluating features and performance (including in security). It will take years (maybe only one and a half) to evaluate objectively the claims. Also, remember that upgrading software is part of marketing strategies, MS is not alone in this sin. Companies make it hard to avoid upgrades, it is not out of concern for your system's usability or reliability. In short, the upgrade question is intimately tied to MS's credibility. You can agree with Tom or not, and perhaps is style is needlessly off-putting, but MS "bashing" is completely on topic. It is an opinion on whether MS marketing claims are credible. ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Wosnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 5:21:04 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] List Etiquette I have to agree completely. As the one who started this last (XP vs Vista) thread, I have to say that the banter and the bashing has always been here, and most of the time I find it amusing (as long as the barbs are not directed at me!). Sometimes I find it frustrating, and sometimes I just shake my head and wonder how it can be that some people have such deep seated biases but more to the point that they have so much time on their hands as to get to that level of he said/she said sort of stuff on and on and on..... All that said, I belong to several such computer lists but whenever I have a question, or get myself into a pickle or need some quick advice, this is ALWAYS the FIRST list I post to. The speed of response, the level and quality of information, and the sophistication and tolerance of most posters has never let me down. And I thank you all very sincerely and very humbly for that, despite the fact that sometimes, like all of you, I have to wade through a bunch of mush to get it :) Michael rlsimon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This list has been an ongoing source of informative postings that, over several years, have never failed to be useful, insightful, and sometimes amusing; rarely has anything been distasteful. I, for one, am grateful for all the trouble many have gotten me out of neatly and with tolerance of my entry level knowledge. For anything down-putting or off-putting, there's always the old trusty DEL key!! -----Original Message----- From: Snyder, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: List Etiquette You gotta pay to play on this list, folks. Most of the bantering here is fairly tame stuff with few hard core flamers. If you can't take _that_ perhaps you want the we all think the same list. Those who are now complaining want to discuss windows issues without unhelpful/unfriendly interruption. The list is what it is, has been this way for many years, and whining will not change it. Thank you, Mark Snyder -----Original Message----- I have to concur with this in spades. I can't recall the last post that was a simple bash at Apple for no reason. Or a post containing blatant misinformation about Apple to try and make them look bad. Some users on this list put out a constant never ending flow of BS about MS/windows. They don't need a reason and pull it out nowhere on topics that have nothing to do with what the topics are about. I have no problem with a windows bashing thread, but does the windows bashing have to be in *every* thread? We all know very well who hates MS here, do we need to be reminded daily? 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