By the way Hitchens claims to be an anti-theist, not an atheist.

Not sure where the difference lies! Some of the best atheists make the best theologians! :-)

Stewart


At 11:28 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote:
Only recently have I begun to appreciate or even watch or pay attention to religious figures as sources of great insight and wisdom; particularly these mega preachers. Saw TJ Jakes (may have his initials wrong) on a few shows, Dr. Phil yesterday, most recently. Also, recent shows of Joel Osteen (Sundays, on Fox), which I just stumbled on by accident. And other things, in various religions, that are simply deeply profound wisdom. Just tonight, I did the introductory class for a course I've devised on mental health recovery, and mentioned some of these very inspirational messages and messengers, and that if we continue to have this course, I would like and plan to bring in videos or books of some of these people or even live presenters (though probably not these folks :)). I can see why people are so drawn to these meg-preachers, and its not just because they are offering false hopes or dreams, a la some of the more notorious tv preachers in the past, like Jim and Tammy, etc. I think people are drawn to people like Osteen because they sense that is saying something that is true, even profound, and potentially of profound significance for their lives.

The irony is that I am as much of a nonbeliever as one can be, and can probably out Hitchens or out Dawkins some of my critical analysis of religion and how it functions in the world. But I am only recently coming to see that there is a deeper, purely secular wisdom that these religions and religious figures (including Jesus, and I'm a non-believing Jew) say and said, even many millenia ago, that is still incredibly relevant as can be to our present situation.

Now, since I had a secular epiphany some 8 months ago, I finally realize that amazing learning, insight and wisdom is to be found all around us and that anything or anyone can be a great teacher, starting, first and foremost, with young children, who are the most creative, most imaginative persons on the planet and the best questioners. And the questions, imagination and creativity are not all unrelated, either!

Randall

Rev. Stewart A. Marshall
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prince of Peace
Ozark, AL  SL 82


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