go here for information overload:

http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=253b9c041bc57e66c559bcf81663c3c0&forumid=34

they know more about cell phones than cguys know about macs.  and they are even 
more anal than cguys, if that is humanly possible(both groups may be a sub 
specie of humans) 


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