On 20 November 2013 01:57, Simon Hirscher <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Nick Jennings <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > I did participate in the meeting in Berlin in August as part of the
> unhosted
> > movement, specifically Sockethub and remoteStorage. Although we did
> agree on
> > those 4 points listed, there was no consensus on the conclusion being
> "throw
> > it all out and start over".
>
> No, and I don't think Carlo meant starting all over. He simply
> repeated that our goal is to find, assemble or (if necessary) write
> that piece or even stack of software that fulfills those 4
> requirements. And that's what the workshops @30C3 are going to be
> about, right?
>

Im curious as to how it is possible to have "self determined data storage",
yet also preclude use of the web to store that data?


>
> > Although I think what Carlo is doing is
> > interesting and has a lot of potential, I think there are still many
> things
> > to be done to improve privacy and improve or create new paradigms for the
> > responsibility of developing for the web, and expectations of users.
>
> Yes, there definitely are. And there're certainly several approaches
> (like unhosted) that don't contradict those 4 points so we'll
> eventually might talk about how to combine them (as we already started
> to do). But our first and primary goal really need to be those 4
> points. I would have thought that we all agreed on this back in
> Berlin?
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