Hi all, Thank you for your input! I had not considered any possible good sides to AI looking at our posts. I'll put together a poll and post it as soon as I can.
Seth On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, at 11:50 AM, Jeff Kaufman wrote: > I'm strongly in favor of keeping the archives public: I think AI bots > training on our archives is a *good* thing. > > Historically, the way people found this sort of information was searching. > They would type in things like "how do I call contra dances", "traditional > dances for families", "equal turn dances with contra corners", etc, the > callers list would show up, they would click through and read things. This > still happens, but we're very quickly moving to a world where instead people > ask questions to chatgpt etc. When people do that, I think we'd rather them > have as good information as possible, which means it's better for the list > archives to be included in the training data for these models. > > There are definitely downsides, especially with current models that do a lot > of making things up and don't link you through to the source of the > information, but I think these are mostly temporary: combining the best of > models and traditional search is a problem people are working hard on solving. > > Jeff > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:36 AM Seth Seeger via Contra Callers > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi Mary, >> >> The "Free for 30 days" that you see is a tier of service for the over all >> list. CDSS is funding this community so that we can afford the premium >> level service. >> >> However, individual user accounts on the site are always free. (Only the >> list get costs money, not the individuals.) >> >> Seth >> >>> On Aug 4, 2025, at 11:06 AM, Mary Keith Eustis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It seems the free account is only for 30 days. Am I missing something? >>> >>> Keith Eustis >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 11:02 AM Seth Seeger via Contra Callers >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Dear list members, >>>> >>>> Since the beginning, the archives for this list have been public. This >>>> was an effort to make information easier to search, to find, to link to, >>>> and to share. However, the days of free information online have changed. >>>> AI bots are now scraping the web for data to train on and privacy is more >>>> of an issue. >>>> >>>> *As we move to groups.io, Chris and I would like to make the archives >>>> private*. The biggest reasons are member privacy and to protect us from >>>> AI training/scraping. This means that you’ll need a free account on the >>>> new site to view the archives. >>>> >>>> We feel this is a good change for our community. Since the only barrier >>>> to the archives would be subscribing, we think this is a reasonable trade >>>> off between privacy and accessibility. >>>> >>>> *If you have concerns about this change, please reply!* (Once we make the >>>> archives at _groups.io_ private, we cannot make them public again later.) >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Seth & Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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