With that approach I'd be worried about a future in which the archives were first made private but then no created-by-professionals summary was actually created.
I'm also pessimistic about a summary capturing the wide range of perspectives towards these dances that this list has historically reflected. Not because of any intent to quash a diversity of opinion, but simply because that's what this sort of project tends to do. Jeff On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 8:29 PM Luke Donforth via Contra Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm in favor of putting the list in a private archive and having CDSS > generate a resource(s) for ONS callers and others. I think a > created-by-professionals summary would be more useful than the > sprawling archive. > > I'll chime in on the survey when that goes around. > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:51 AM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm strongly in favor of keeping the archives public: I think AI bots >> training on our archives is a *good* thing. >> >> Historically, the way people found this sort of information was >> searching. They would type in things like "how do I call contra dances", >> "traditional dances for families", "equal turn dances with contra corners", >> etc, the callers list would show up, they would click through and read >> things. This still happens, but we're very quickly moving to a world where >> instead people ask questions to chatgpt etc. When people do that, I think >> we'd rather them have as good information as possible, which means it's >> better for the list archives to be included in the training data for these >> models. >> >> There are definitely downsides, especially with current models that do a >> lot of making things up and don't link you through to the source of the >> information, but I think these are mostly temporary: combining the best of >> models and traditional search is a problem people are working hard on >> solving. >> >> Jeff >> >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:36 AM Seth Seeger via Contra Callers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Mary, >>> >>> The "Free for 30 days" that you see is a tier of service for the over >>> all list. CDSS is funding this community so that we can afford the premium >>> level service. >>> >>> However, individual user accounts on the site are always free. (Only >>> the list get costs money, not the individuals.) >>> >>> Seth >>> >>> On Aug 4, 2025, at 11:06 AM, Mary Keith Eustis <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It seems the free account is only for 30 days. Am I missing something? >>> >>> Keith Eustis >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 11:02 AM Seth Seeger via Contra Callers < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear list members, >>>> >>>> Since the beginning, the archives for this list have been public. This >>>> was an effort to make information easier to search, to find, to link to, >>>> and to share. However, the days of free information online have changed. >>>> AI bots are now scraping the web for data to train on and privacy is more >>>> of an issue. >>>> >>>> As we move to groups.io, Chris and I would like to make the archives >>>> private. The biggest reasons are member privacy and to protect us >>>> from AI training/scraping. This means that you’ll need a free account on >>>> the new site to view the archives. >>>> >>>> We feel this is a good change for our community. Since the only >>>> barrier to the archives would be subscribing, we think this is a reasonable >>>> trade off between privacy and accessibility. >>>> >>>> If you have concerns about this change, please reply! (Once we make >>>> the archives at groups.io private, we cannot make them public again >>>> later.) >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Seth & Chris >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> [email protected] >> > > > -- > Luke Donforth > [email protected] > 802-448-4533 > Click here for publicity information. > <https://www.uvm.edu/~ldonfort/ContraPublicity/> > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] >
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