I'm in favor of putting the list in a private archive and having CDSS generate a resource(s) for ONS callers and others. I think a created-by-professionals summary would be more useful than the sprawling archive.
I'll chime in on the survey when that goes around. On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:51 AM Jeff Kaufman via Contra Callers < [email protected]> wrote: > I'm strongly in favor of keeping the archives public: I think AI bots > training on our archives is a *good* thing. > > Historically, the way people found this sort of information was > searching. They would type in things like "how do I call contra dances", > "traditional dances for families", "equal turn dances with contra corners", > etc, the callers list would show up, they would click through and read > things. This still happens, but we're very quickly moving to a world where > instead people ask questions to chatgpt etc. When people do that, I think > we'd rather them have as good information as possible, which means it's > better for the list archives to be included in the training data for these > models. > > There are definitely downsides, especially with current models that do a > lot of making things up and don't link you through to the source of the > information, but I think these are mostly temporary: combining the best of > models and traditional search is a problem people are working hard on > solving. > > Jeff > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 11:36 AM Seth Seeger via Contra Callers < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Mary, >> >> The "Free for 30 days" that you see is a tier of service for the over all >> list. CDSS is funding this community so that we can afford the premium >> level service. >> >> However, individual user accounts on the site are always free. (Only the >> list get costs money, not the individuals.) >> >> Seth >> >> On Aug 4, 2025, at 11:06 AM, Mary Keith Eustis <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> It seems the free account is only for 30 days. Am I missing something? >> >> Keith Eustis >> >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2025, 11:02 AM Seth Seeger via Contra Callers < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear list members, >>> >>> Since the beginning, the archives for this list have been public. This >>> was an effort to make information easier to search, to find, to link to, >>> and to share. However, the days of free information online have changed. >>> AI bots are now scraping the web for data to train on and privacy is more >>> of an issue. >>> >>> As we move to groups.io, Chris and I would like to make the archives >>> private. The biggest reasons are member privacy and to protect us from >>> AI training/scraping. This means that you’ll need a free account on the >>> new site to view the archives. >>> >>> We feel this is a good change for our community. Since the only barrier >>> to the archives would be subscribing, we think this is a reasonable trade >>> off between privacy and accessibility. >>> >>> If you have concerns about this change, please reply! (Once we make >>> the archives at groups.io private, we cannot make them public again >>> later.) >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Seth & Chris >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe send an email to >> [email protected] >> > _______________________________________________ > Contra Callers mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > -- Luke Donforth [email protected] 802-448-4533 Click here for publicity information. <https://www.uvm.edu/~ldonfort/ContraPublicity/>
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