Le lun 10/03/2003 à 02:20, Brook Humphrey a écrit : > Really most the users are so illiterate it supprises me they can drive cars.
BTW, I don't own a car. Where I live (Montreal, Sherbrooke now), where I go often (Paris, New York), there is a good mass transit service, so you don't need a car, which is great because people *ARE* dangerous. > Remember I'm not talking about computer savvy users here but by far the > majority of normal everyday business users who just think the computer is a > tool and if something is different it throws them off for weeks just to > figure it out. For these types of uses kde cant be beat. Gnome does have it's > place but for simplicity sake gnome is not it. Well, Gnome can be hard, *even* for computer savvy people. Back to gnome-ppp, I just spent like 20 hours so far trying to know what was going on with a bug report. It's not like that I don't know what I'm doing, I founded three ISPs for god sakes, I installed hundreds and hundreds of modems, gave support to thousands of users, and can even recognize some brands and models of modems just by the sound they make by connecting! You would expect just giving the phone number, username and password, and expect it to connect, but no... You need to edit your pap-secrets file manually, give your username *twice* in the setup (username and remotename), and even then, there might still be problems because it always specifies an MRU of 296, even if you change it in the gnome-ppp settings, it will give the "mru 296" option to pppd, and this option, unfortunately, can not be overriden by specifying a MRU in /etc/ppp/options, so you're screwed if your ISP supports IPV6, because the RFCs specify that the MRU must be at least 1280, and that the default should always be 1500. (wow, I'm pissed of and it shows in the length of my sentences ;-) I'm very lucky the bug reporter was very patient, and that I had a spare, non-winmodem, good old external modem, and a Linux box with the same setup at the other end so I could trace the PPP protocol and make sure this wasn't an issue with the ISP. Now imagine I was an entry-level tech support person at an unknown small regional ISP and I received a phone call from a farmer who just bought a brand-new Linux box for $200 from Wal-Mart and used gnome because he read about it in some newspaper. Imagine the conversation... I'm sure this would have resulted in the guy calling some friend who would just burn him a copy of Windows because it works with the same ISP. What's more, it has a calculator and winzip, which the farmer couldn't find on his Linux box because kdeutils is not installed by default. *Anyways*, kdeppp just plain works, username, password, number, connect, and it's a go! Jean-Michel
