On Tuesday 17 June 2003 10:50 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: > On Tuesday 17 June 2003 11:28 pm, w9ya wrote: > > Well, I will disagree for two reasons; > > > > 1 - The original point I was commenting on was that the 'drake' installer > > was getting more complicated by being broke into several sections. This > > is a fundamentally flaw concept for newbies to take on. We can disagree > > on this, but having more than one program to take care of installing and > > removing software might just be more involved. > > I think it is interesting that some think it is easier as two, while others > find it easier as one. Personally I never use it since urpmi is my best > freind now
Oh yeah, teach them urmpi and command line...lol. > > > 2 - Installing ahs nothing to do with "how do I start a program" etc. > > i.e. > > Sure it does. Once it's installed, how do I start it. > > > Or put another way; if a user can use some other op system's installer > > without having to think about it, and a linux system can be even better > > by being more infomative but just as easy to use, then it is a win-win > > situation. > > I don't disagree with your points here. I was only trying to say that at > one point, installing Windows software is now easy because people are used > to it after all these years. At one point, they didn't know how to do it > there either, but they had to learn. Well for the last 5 years or more, installing in Windows is point and click on a single icon for downloaded programs. It doesn't get any easier than that, unless you get really creative. i.e. One program to get and install software. Now make that same program tell me about what I already have and you have a winner. > > > > When people criticise Linux for being hard for Windows users, they are > > > really criticizing it for being unfamiliar to Windows users. Try this. > > > Take a typical home Windows user and change the desktop theme so the > > > background and icons are different, and then move their desktop icons > > > to different locations. I give you a 75% chance that they won't know > > > what to do. IMO, if you want mass adoption, you have to make it easy > > > and making it easy means making it familiar. I'm not advocating that, > > > but I think it a truth. > > > > Um, you are way out of field on this. In fact many users of m$ op systems > > change their themes, but cannot fathom adding software to linux. I know, > > this is what I do for a living. > > My experience is different, and I do it for a living too. I've even seen > some users call for help when we switched machines from Win98 to Win2k and > the only thing different about the desktop layout and menu was the > background color. Win98 green vs. Win2k blue. Happened twice. Well the users I worked with the other day are beyond that, as I stated in my original post. Or rather as I implied. They can and do work with Windows, but as stated above, they do not have to go thru the more involved linux procedures. The bottom line, it is more steps and more work to use the current two or more program 'drake' system. > > > > BTW, remove your reply-to setting, it's causing replies to your Cooker > > > messages to get addressed to you personally. > > > > Nah, because I do more than just work this mailing list. In fact I seldom > > actually send mail here. Thanxs anyways. You might try to just work > > around it. I do on other people's mail all the time. > > I wasn't trying to be snotty, I have just found that many people do not > realize the reply-to is set in their client and in 99% of the cases it is > set to the same address as the From field (as yours is), in which case a > reply-to is totally unecessary, but this is way OT, so I'll apologize for > coming across as an elitist snot and leave it at that. No offense taken. Sorry if I came off the same way. Bob
