On Thursday 19 June 2003 04:50 pm, Buchan Milne wrote: > <quote who="w9ya"> > > > On Wednesday 18 June 2003 04:27 am, Buchan Milne wrote: > >> >>find it easier as one. Personally I never use it since urpmi is my > >> > >> best freind now > >> > >> > Oh yeah, teach them urmpi and command line...lol. > >> > >> Did Greg even vaguely suggest anyone else should use urpmi? Please, if > >> you don't visit the list often (as you state), at least *read* the > >> posts? > > > > Not nice. > > In hindsight, no ... > > > Now go do like your mother might suggest; and wash your mouth > > out with soap. > > I have better things to do ... > > > Or i.e. yes, it was implied, otherwise why bring it up > > in a discussion about newbies ? > > To indicate that he is not an authority on the uses and abuses of > rpmdrake, since, like many cookers, he uses urpmi more than rpmdrake ... > > > Sorry if this sounds harse, but it was you that suggested that I > > "..should at least *read* the posts" > > Did I miss something? > > >> >>I don't disagree with your points here. I was only trying to say > >> > >> that at one point, installing Windows software is now easy because > >> people are > >> > >> >> used to it after all these years. At one point, they didn't know > >> > >> how to do it there either, but they had to learn. > >> > >> > Well for the last 5 years or more, installing in Windows is point > >> > >> and > >> > >> click on > >> > >> > a single icon for downloaded programs. > >> > >> You mean on Windows I actually have to download files? How? Where? > >> What if I don't like this one, where do I find another one? And if I > >> can install it like that, can I uninstall it like that? And why, if I > >> can uninstall everything in one place, can't I install everything from > >> the same place? > >> > >> And what about files called .msi files? > >> > >> Anyway, on Mandrake, you can just double click on any rpm you > >> downloaded, and it will install it, and anything it needs. > >> > >> Unfortunately, double clicking on an rpm on a CD still gives some > >> problem .... > > > > Um, again we were discussing a newbie using the rpmdrake tools to > > download, and additionally to use them as a basis to discover what > > software might be installed. In that context, I will just have to > > disagree with your assessment of the problem, as this concerns rpmdrake > > and not a download sitting on a desktop or otherwise easily seen by a > > user , logged in as such user. > > So packages on a CD don't count? Again, I do agree that users should be > able to see what software is installed, but > > -kpackage does do this, as does gnorpm (if it will currently build or work > with rpm-4.2)
The *point* was, that new users should/might want to have one gui based utility do this. Or at least that was my point. One program for the user to run, not several. > > -The majority of software a user is going to use, they should be able to > find quite quickly Some yes, some no. That was the basis we were talking about. > > -You did claim windows was point-and-click-easy, so why does my girlfriend > install software easily under Mandrake, but not under Windows? There is no > global catalog of available software on Windows in any case. One example. Again the *point* was to consider making it one program. One that can both scan for installed and not installed programs. On this I thought we agreed several posts ago. Has that changed ? > > The real competition here IMHO is (from what I hear) Lindows (who has it > easy AFAIK since they run as root so there never are any problems > regarding rights etc) and possibly SuSE. Redhat also has a simple > interface, that does also show you what is installed, but there it is > definitely not fine-grained enough. Well now I am confused, or do you like to "argue" both sides of the "coin" ? Bob > > Regards, > Buchan
